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I only do F programming |
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do your fingers smell after you program? |
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C and C++ are different orders of magnitude. with sheer C, there is no object-oriented whatever. no classes; no inheritance. you don't even have objects... you just have, essentially, what is effectively the primordial ooze precursor of objects: a structure, aka "struct" a struct does not have methods. it is just a data struct[ure]. you have to define it completely upfront: i want two 32-bit integers and a 1k string. and it is baked into the binary when compiled; the computer sets it all aside in advance and if you don't have enough to set aside you get a rude error and please go buy more RAM. but, with the proper design patterns, you can very carefully sit down and kind of pretend that you actually have object-oriented whatever. C++ introduced actual classes, inheritance, whatever. Then there is an ANSI spec. Then there's the STL, the Standard Template Library. Then the STL becomes really really fucking complicated. now C++ has fucking versions FML but i suppose nothing lasts forever. and something lasts never. let's gon't |
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you'd use C to write a driver for a wifi chipset, these days. low-level, i need to manipulate tiny deep obscure hardware registers, kind of stuff. once that's over with, you use C++. then, typically, you get lazy and move on to a scripting language. only gets worse from there |
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Cheers mate! Interesting post |
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No reason to use C++, it's really a legacy programming language. Rust is pretty good. |
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for your consideration https://thephd.dev/your-c-compiler-and-standard-library-wil l-not-help-you |
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i like c# |
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you're clearly worse than hitler |
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Qt/C++ is pretty wonderful for cross-platform development, if you hate the electron framework (and what it has done to desktop messaging platforms) like i do. javascript everything? suck my balls. |
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What about it? I would seriously avoid writing any C if you can... It is good for knowing exactly what machine code is going to be coming out of the compiler for whatever it is you are writing, that's about it. Good for bits of things that need to be as fast as possible. .. Fucking 50 years old... when is the anniversary? C++ is fucking evil as far as im concerned but C++17 make a lot of things a lot nicer... But its still fucking evil. An ex-collegue of mine who had been around the block many times used to cross himself when it got mentioned. |
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You can bang stuff out in Python or JS at an order of magnitude faster than stuff in C, possibly several orders depending on what it is |
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>>> javascript everything? suck my balls. Have you heard Douglas Crockford talk about JS, or read his books? He makes a very decent case for there being a somewhat decent language buried in there, if you stick a strict subset. |
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(Crockfords cool for other reasons too, look him up; old Atari programmer, worked for Lucasfilm) |
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lol that's a "Sign in to confirm your age" ... and be fucked if i'm giving google my CC number Turing tar pits are cool doe |
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I find the abstraction of logic really dead interesting, I was trying to get my head round Gödel's incompleteness theorem the other day, but I still don't understand it |
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nor do i really.. been meaning to have another go at reading GEB:EGB |
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weirdly enough i was thinking about it briefly today: a record player that plays a record that makes the record player self destruct.... it's been a while. |
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Yeah need to have a look of that myself, he did something really weird like broke down all logical operators to having their own distinct number/symbols and added them together in some way to prove you can't logically prove some things. I'm paraphrasing cos it just seemed a bit unintuitive |
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what it means to me is that there is no method of representation that can encapsulate conciousness... conciousness is always outside of any system, by definition. Now, if we understand the physical world via a 'system' - ie. physics, then this means that conciousness is non-physical. That is a big lovely 'WTF' It has always been a nice glimmer of hope to me. I think the standard of pop science books has gone down somewhat since GEB:EGB was in the top sellers; kinda reflected in New Scientist going to shit too, maybe... |
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Or am I thinking about Horizon, or both. |
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I was thinking about that alot, what Roger Penrose says about consciousness that it's not a computation |
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lol yeah, that sums up what i was trying to say a lot better! (Have u listened to Penrose on J.Rogan podcast? It is so mental that he got him on there..brilliant) |
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i probably should, Rogan gets on my wick a bit! Penrose is just great/relaxing to listen to |
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@ around 5:59 he says "red blood cecil" rather than red blood cells the corrects himself hehe |
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i said qt/c++ i was writing a video editing app for a client running OSX. i did all the development on linux and then built it for OSX on an old macbook they sent me. only bugs we ever hit were stuff involving keys you don't have on a linux PC, i coded the combos in but i had to the macbook to test 'em. then things i didn't even really have like magic mouse whatever. aside from that, fucker worked like a charm client said, "hey, for a laugh, i compiled it on windows, and it works there too! but since windows \ instead of / like everyone else file ops are pretty iffy" then you could also compile it for android and iOS but so much of that thing is keyboard/mouse based, don't know what the fuck you'd do with it there. but it would launch, and arguably work as designed and it will be lightyears faster than anything javascript ever sharts out. native multithreading. true hardware access |
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at least on platforms that allow it, anyways. |
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ruby off the rails on diamonds |
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