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offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2020-08-30 01:40 [#02605758]
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so am moving and i am packing up all my babies and there is
actually a distinct difference i've noticed: with my moog
grandmother, i pulled the original plastic wrap right back
over, the foam fit back into the box flush, and from there
it was obvious where to put the box for the power adapter;
close it. don't even need to tape this; it's tight

my behringer model d, however, proved to be a bit of a
fight. the plastic bag it came in promptly developed one of
those tears you get in a crisp bag; once it starts, that's
it for it as a bag, really, you're just kind of wrapping it.
the foam made me nervous; i was actually prodding it out a
bit to avoid pressuring any of the knobs. then i could
barely get the box closed; worried i was squooshing things.
i don't need to tape this, but it's too tight

we have all heard about "tolerances," which is engineering
for "how close is close enough?" and i feel like this has
even translated into the packaging material; it makes
sense.

i ask this as i also ask: i deeply miss having a real sh101,
and is the filter for behringer's sh101 clone within
tolerance


thanks.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2020-08-31 03:59 [#02605795]
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packaging for yamaha mixer was a mix. really had to fight to
get the foam out of the box without tearing a chunk off.
bagging the mixer, the bag held together a little better.
foaming: once i sorted out the confusing geometry, the foam
fit like a glove. boxing: some shoving to it all that in the
box; actually was easier than getting the foam out of the
box. no idea where the power cord was supposed to go --
whatever, it's just a normal computer one. had to tape the
box up because it wasn't a foldy one

i'd be getting off-topic with this, but i am not expecting
wonderful things from the 4K TV packaging. perhaps it could
be interesting, to compare the mysterious "ONN" brand to
behringer. the manual does not have, like, a phone number,
or a website, or whatever for the company, just some tech
support email address. i googled all over trying to figure
out where it was made and who made it and how and it is just
a memory hole


 

offline RussellDust on 2020-08-31 16:52 [#02605831]
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Moog


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2020-08-31 23:41 [#02605854]
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vs. not or

not allowed to simply pick; required you provide a lengthy
dissection w/rt the relative differences


 

offline DADONCK from here on 2020-09-01 01:15 [#02605855]
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moog - no balls
behringer - no brain

i take no brain for cheap


 

offline mermaidman on 2020-09-01 08:30 [#02605859]
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no


 

offline DADONCK from here on 2020-09-01 12:01 [#02605864]
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yesman


 

offline mermaidman on 2020-09-01 12:04 [#02605865]
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sorry my post wasn't directed at you dadonck sorry


 

offline DADONCK from here on 2020-09-01 14:33 [#02605870]
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sorryman


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2020-09-01 18:51 [#02605873]
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moog - no balls

hey, now, watch your mouth. bob moog will punch his way out
of his coffin and sue this forum thread vigorously


 

offline mermaidman on 2020-09-01 19:18 [#02605874]
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he clearly means the new moogs bruh


 

offline DADONCK from here on 2020-09-01 23:07 [#02605876]
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Animoog is a great app
its great
great app
really
great
app


 

offline jtalton from Hamamatsu (Japan) on 2020-09-02 05:16 [#02605882]
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anyone got a Behringer Wasp? i just did an impulse buy
booze is bad


 

offline mermaidman on 2020-09-02 09:13 [#02605883]
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if i’d buy a behringer it would be the pro1


 

offline DADONCK from here on 2020-09-02 10:14 [#02605885]
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dito


 

offline mermaidman on 2020-09-02 10:37 [#02605886]
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jtalton where you at in japan? have you ever been to five g


 

offline mermaidman on 2020-09-02 11:01 [#02605887]
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it say right next to his name from Hamamatsu lol


 

offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2020-09-02 12:18 [#02605888]
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dont have a synth but,
last week i unpacked my behringer usb keyboard,
which was kept in upright position next to my desk for
exactly a year after moving. tolerance of the guts was
perfect. snug as a bug but easy to pluck from the box. the
white keys now have a nasty yellow uv-tint except for the
small stripes where they were shadowed by the black keys.
it has 49 keys and sensitive touch which made me feel like a
classy piano player and its number of assigned knobs made me
feel like tweaking a real synth/drum machine.
since it still works like a charm i am 98% satisfied
(tint).
it cost less than anything else, so anything else gets 0%.



 

offline jtalton from Hamamatsu (Japan) on 2020-09-02 15:02 [#02605889]
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Yeah i live in Hamamatsu which is where yamaha music and
roland are from =) i feel guilty buying a behringer but fuck
it i love my deepmind 12 so i figured i would give the wasp
a go.

Yeah i have been to five g. It is a basically a museum of
all the best gear of all time. Highly recommend going there
you will be shocked with what is just stacked up. 808s 909s
jupiters etc etc


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2020-09-02 19:12 [#02605891]
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since it still works like a charm i am 98% satisfied
(tint).
it cost less than anything else, so anything else gets
0%.


yes, actually, this is kind of what prompted the thread.
like i mentioned, i had a real sh-101 for years, and i miss
it very much. meanwhile, i've gotten the moog grandmother,
which is actually quite suitable as a replacement. the
sequencer feels like the sh-101's but with some options i
always wished the sh-101 had (three patterns, accent, glide,
etc.) and it has a shit-ton of patch points. and it does
pretty good acid

but i still miss the sh101 -- the sound, the layout. so i'm
eying their clone, and i am deeply conflicted. the filter,
in particular, if it is not 100%, i will be bothered. and
meanwhile i already have a reasonably beastly monosynth and
so either the behringer ms-1 is within tolerance or i
should stick with my moog

(and buy one of the other cool things behringer makes that i
won't be as fussy about)


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2020-09-02 19:16 [#02605892]
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then the behringer ms-1 sequencer has gone a bit too
computery, could go either way, not sure about


 

offline jtalton from Hamamatsu (Japan) on 2020-09-02 19:17 [#02605893]
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There is a sh101 at my second hand shop near the house going
for 80000yen.i just cant forK out the cash. Sad to see it
sitting on the sidelines though


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2020-09-02 19:18 [#02605894]
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also, it used to be MS-101, then they got sued or something,
so now it says MS-1 and they just blacked out that part of
the silkscreening -- they were too cheap to redo it just to
move the "MS-1" to be flush with the edge of the panel; just
an off-kilter gap where the 01 was. this actually quite
bothers me, but i suppose i could just put a sticker over
it, or doodle in the 01 myself with a white-out pen


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2020-09-02 19:20 [#02605895]
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yeah, and i suspect they'll continue to remain a reasonable
investment for the the foreseeable future -- i definitely
turned a profit on the sh101, just by keeping it maintained
and using it for a few years. but it was like putting a pet
down


 

offline jtalton from Hamamatsu (Japan) on 2020-09-04 06:13 [#02605904]
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after playing with the Wasp for about 1 hour i can say its
pretty awesome


 

offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2020-09-04 08:53 [#02605905]
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it looks like a 70s arcade game cpo
i like it!


Attached picture

 

offline Zephyr Twin from ΔΔΔ on 2020-09-14 15:54 [#02606013]
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It will never be 100%, even if the only reason is your
subjective experience.

If you really want to own a SH-101 again, sell the
Grandmother and get one. Don't have a Grandmother and a
Behringer 101. You won't use either to their full
potential.

(disclaimer: spoken from my own bad track record of never
using competing hardware enough. YMMV)


 

offline Zephyr Twin from ΔΔΔ on 2020-09-14 15:56 [#02606014]
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I see what you mean, but I'd rephrase it as:

Moog - all heart
Behringer - no soul


 

offline Zephyr Twin from ΔΔΔ on 2020-09-14 15:57 [#02606015]
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I'll add that I'm not a Moog fanboy or a Behringer hater. I
don't own any moog gear, but I own the Neutron, which is
decent.

I was all set to buy the Wasp until I realized it had no CV
modularity.

Moog Matriarch sounds phenomenal though and I want one for
the paraphony. I'm bored with monosynths outside of my
eurorack.


 

offline jtalton from Hamamatsu (Japan) on 2020-09-15 14:51 [#02606039]
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WASP

all the sound except the drums are the wasp, with obviously
a lot of effects. I like the filter alot but i agree it
would have been better if they put more patch points. I am
going to check out the pro 1 or K2 next


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2020-09-15 23:14 [#02606042]
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It will never be 100%, even if the only reason is your
subjective experience.

If you really want to own a SH-101 again, sell the
Grandmother and get one. Don't have a Grandmother and a
Behringer 101. You won't use either to their full
potential.


the first part, i think this is the right answer. i should
not get the ms-1, because my brain will probably be all:
hey, this isn't quite an sh-101, and it bothers us

the second part, less so. i could have both the grandmother
and the sh-101 and would absolutely use both at once. the
grandmother has loads of patch points and i'd allow the
interpatching to get compexicated, while the sh-101 would be
a dedicated acid machine.

i think the proper compromise is to buy some other stuff i
miss first, like an mpc1000, and then be long-term patient,
save money, try to spot an sh-101 for a good price sometime
in the next two years

in between, yes, i can see picking up another behringer
something or other for a mere few hundert.

i never got into making drum sounds on synths; felt a bit
tedious. i do, however, love drum synth plugins, i'll grind
out massive kits in 45 minutes on RMIV or my other ancient
plugins


 


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