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On culturally conservative critics of capitalism
 

offline Tony Danza from the cool zone on 2020-06-16 15:08 [#02603520]
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Neoliberalism’s fragmentary and atomising tendencies
have gone too far. In response, some right-wingers have
turned against the market. At the same time, there’s a
(marginal) tendency on the left turning against cultural
liberalism. Are we witnessing a major political realignment
underway? What is the substance of these "culturally
conservative" critiques, and do they offer anything new,
beyond what people like Christopher Lasch advanced decades
ago?


Backlasch!



 

offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2020-06-16 15:24 [#02603522]
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Will give it a listen when I get back to my grandmother
house


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2020-06-16 16:36 [#02603525]
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ah yes the young new rightwing intellectual charles maurras


 

offline Tony Danza from the cool zone on 2020-06-16 16:42 [#02603527]
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that is one Captain Haddock looking motherfucker.


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2020-06-16 16:50 [#02603529]
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you don't know maurras?? he's pretty much the father of
european fascism, and the intellectual force behind those
annoying "traditional western architecture" twitter accounts


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2020-06-16 16:54 [#02603531]
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You can tell he didn't share his toys as a child


 

offline Tony Danza from the cool zone on 2020-06-16 17:28 [#02603535]
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Every time I blink another one of these guys crawls out of
the woodwork! I'll have to read up on him. But I thought
Mazzini was the seminal fascist figure, at least in terms of
the influence of nationalism / unificationism. I was reading
in Pankaj Mishra about how he influenced Savarkar and
Hindutva.


 

offline Tony Danza from the cool zone on 2020-06-16 17:35 [#02603537]
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I was mufos with one of those traditional architecture guys
for a while, it made interesting reading, he was really into
race realism when he wasn't promoting tapestries and flying
buttresses

hypies I suspect he believed toys were sinful


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2020-06-16 17:59 [#02603538]
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by the way did you hear about jean raspail finally croaking
last week? wonderful news


 

offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2020-06-16 19:05 [#02603539]
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I thought fascism was a mixture of antisemitism and anti
democratic values. But according to that definition Jeremy
Corbyn is a fascist, which is preposterous. The media called
him an anti-Semitic leader and he wanted to overturn the
result of many pro British independence election outcomes.

Nothing scary about tradionalist architecture in itself. But
the real fascists do scare me too. There was one pro Hitler
guy called Johnathan something in the UK. I'm pretty sure he
was murdered by the state. He was s big fan of this turd
called Evola

Look at Trump. They call him a fascist but he is on Israel's
side, and he won a democratic vote. And he supports British
democracy, which voted for British independence many times
in recent years.

I'd be happy to vote for a modern Hugh Gaitskell who is anti
war but pro Israel. The left can't win in the UK unless they
embrace Gaitskell ism. There's literally no other path to
victory at the ballot box.


 

offline mermaidman on 2020-06-16 21:07 [#02603541]
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lol do u really think only anti semites are fascists or is
this a way to hide your racism from yourself


 

offline RussellDust on 2020-06-16 21:14 [#02603542]
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The censorship side of a possible dystopian future is oddly
coming strongly from the « liberal » left. Orwell and co
rightly sensed this was going to be a conservative thing.

Also you either agree or your a terrible person. No
discussion possible. It’s extremely tiring.

I’m a lefty. But would like to keep my personality, and be
allowed to debate. That’s somethjng that’s less and less
possible because fleetmouse or Juliette a likes will just
tell you that you’re a terrible person. Black and white.


 

offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2020-06-16 21:15 [#02603543]
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Whats your definition of fascism mermaidman? George Orwell
in politics and the english language said a a lot about the
term fascism. Wonder if youve ever read that article.

Id you define racist as being against some shit cunt on the
internet who expects you to believe he’s some turkish
muslim gay guy without offering any proof then Im definitely
racist.

Like i said before, my great grandfather fought for the
british when he was 15 and helped kill Turks at gallipoli.
He also went through the hell of dunkirk against the real
fascist. If thats racist then im racist.



 

offline mermaidman on 2020-06-16 21:18 [#02603544]
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lol and i told you your grandfather got his ass handed to
him


 

offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2020-06-16 21:20 [#02603545]
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Hooray for Erdogan, the Islamofascist!


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2020-06-16 21:21 [#02603546]
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definition of modern fascism


 

offline mermaidman on 2020-06-16 21:22 [#02603547]
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fuck erdogan


 

offline Tony Danza from the cool zone on 2020-06-16 21:22 [#02603548]
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Since no one is going to listen to the podcast I linked or
read the attached articles, sure let's discuss fascism.
Umberto Eco defined it by 14 points.

russelldust I don't think you're a terrible person, I think
you're a regular guy who has got a persecution complex.


 

offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2020-06-16 21:23 [#02603549]
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Lol


 

offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2020-06-16 21:24 [#02603550]
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Im listening now. Think i need the fisherprice version.


 

offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2020-06-16 21:25 [#02603551]
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Bless Erdogan, may he reign for 1000 years


 

offline Tony Danza from the cool zone on 2020-06-16 21:27 [#02603552]
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and, russelldust, I think you interpret disagreement as
condemnation, which is silly! don't do that!

Bless Erdogan, may he reign for 1000 years


 

offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2020-06-16 21:28 [#02603553]
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Antisemitism is dumb because it means going against God
The universe is a monarchy run by God
Im a stupid failure at life because of antisemitism.



 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2020-06-16 21:29 [#02603554]
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Ive seen that 14 point thing, it seems quite accurate year


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2020-06-16 21:31 [#02603555]
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I wouldn't call Trump as fascist yet, but he has fascist
tendencies
I think he has touched on almost everyone of those points at
one time or an other., if he loses the popular vote, and
electoral college this time round im guessing he wont
relinquish power.


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2020-06-16 21:31 [#02603556]
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i don't think you're a terrible person, but i do think with
this line of thinking you're getting hoodwinked by dishonest
pseudointellectuals who have only the most sinister motives

there is no actual censorship coming from the left to be
worried about right now, unless you're talking about the
teen k-pop stan mobs coming after people who drew bart
simpson naked one time (noxious, but ultimately just dumb
teens).


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2020-06-16 21:33 [#02603557]
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LAZY_TITLE you just made me think of this


 

offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2020-06-16 21:35 [#02603558]
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Because the UK is a democracy you have to make socialism or
whatever youre pushing palatable to the electorate. Labour
got hammered at the last election. Tories won 14 million to
10 million votes. If Labour don’t embrace British
independence on a Gaitskellite ticket, the benefits of
socialist beliefs will be eroded.


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2020-06-16 21:35 [#02603559]
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i'm sorry fleets i can't listen to podcasts it's just basic
hygiene


 

offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2020-06-16 21:36 [#02603560]
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Theres actually no such thing as a conservative
intellectual.


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2020-06-16 21:41 [#02603561]
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wait anna khachiyan isn't that the insane stalinist lady


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2020-06-16 21:45 [#02603562]
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I think there is probably some smart conservatives, but i
always find that intelligence doesn't necessarily corelate
to rational or empathetic thought


 

offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2020-06-16 21:47 [#02603563]
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Uk voters aint thick. You’ll never get SinoRussian style
communism past them. The French on the other hand, and their
history of the French Revolution.... we have edmund burke
and brexit hahahah


 

offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2020-06-16 21:49 [#02603564]
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Yeah “the market”, worshipped by people like daniel
hannan is the opposite of empathy for others.


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2020-06-16 21:50 [#02603565]
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I hope to god so yeah, we have historically been a cynical
and wary nation, I just hope decades of stuff like Ant &
Decs Saturday night take away hasnt killed to many brain
cells


 

offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2020-06-16 21:51 [#02603566]
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Hehe

This podcast is too clever for me


 

offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2020-06-16 21:54 [#02603567]
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She said God is dead, so how do you explain the existence of
Israel? In this day and age it should be obvious which God
is real. Thousands of years ago prophecies are coming true
in this day and age.


 

offline mermaidman on 2020-06-16 21:56 [#02603568]
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a millennia of erdogan?! i'm afraid i won't live long enough
to see a cyborg erdogan with terminator eyes


 

offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2020-06-16 21:58 [#02603569]
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Hehe


 

offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2020-06-16 22:13 [#02603570]
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Mongy, have you ever seen police academy 2? It’s one of
the best comedies ever.


 

offline Tony Danza from the cool zone on 2020-06-16 22:20 [#02603571]
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if he loses the popular vote, and electoral college this
time round im guessing he wont relinquish power.


Say he loses the electoral college, which the way things are
going is possible even against corpsey old Joe Biden, it's
possible he'll test the waters between the election and
inauguration day, but if he gets much pushback I think he'll
fold. He hates to fight a losing fight, he hates to make an
effort if he can't easily spin things his way.


 

offline Tony Danza from the cool zone on 2020-06-16 22:23 [#02603572]
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Mostly podcasts are awful, this one is above average though
even if I often disagree with it, they go out on some limbs
and have interesting guests. This episode with Ishay Landa is fantastic.

Is Anna Stalinist? I think mainly she's a notorious Brooklyn
troll girl.


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2020-06-16 22:33 [#02603573]
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I think thats generally true, i think the reason why he
might push it is because if he looses he will be
investigated to the nth degree, well you would hope so


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2020-06-16 22:38 [#02603574]
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i mean i don't know much about her but i know enough to know
that she's a bit of a shit and too addicted to controversy
not to become a neoreactionary in the next few years if she
isn't one already!
very sad but when your intellectual influences are zizek and
paglia you're pretty much screwed


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2020-06-16 22:41 [#02603575]
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i think trump is still too much of a tv host not to sign off
once his show is over tbh


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2020-06-16 22:43 [#02603576]
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i just saw a wonderful tweet https://twitter.com/throwaway3484/status/1272981702776938...


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2020-06-16 23:13 [#02603577]
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what the hell is that tweet underneath, daughter of a
mathematician, so that is meant to make her intelligent by
proxy?


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2020-06-16 23:38 [#02603578]
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she's got the weirdest fans


 

offline Tony Danza from the cool zone on 2020-06-17 00:05 [#02603579]
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About half the Anna and Dasha "fans" hate their guts, the
other half ain't bolted down so good.

This thread on the Red Scare subreddit is an interesting
read. Definitely click through and read that teacher's story.


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2020-06-17 00:57 [#02603581]
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well i sure have learned a lot about some guy's sister
career issues. god these people are middle class as fuck



 


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