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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2020-06-11 21:18 [#02603219]
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https://youtu.be/Gqdo57uky4o
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2020-06-11 21:22 [#02603220]
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people have been promising this sort of thing for years i tried one in about 2010 and it thought i was dead I think that new interfaces like this vs. good ol QWERTY is like the 'AI' (read machine learning) vs. Turing Machines ... One is currently muchly overhyped vaporware.
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2020-06-11 21:24 [#02603221]
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Would love to write some widgets for it when it comes out tho, obv
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2020-06-11 21:28 [#02603222]
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the existing ones were pretty rubbish - i don't think they could even pick up whether you were in predominantly alpha, beta, ... brainwaves, otherwise shurely someone would have rinses the market for guided meditation/feedback things...?
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2020-06-11 22:56 [#02603242]
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I was watching a vid where its mentioned they reckon you wouldnt know if you were being controlled you would think the thought originated from your own brain, that scared me
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2020-06-11 23:06 [#02603245]
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i think i've seen that one too, that's the essence of subliminal messages.
I can't honestly believe that they have been found not to work reliably when I can get a word or phrase in my head by NOT EVEN GLANCING at a full on broadsheet newspaper page, like literally just moving from one object to another and the paper was in between - phrase in head, phrase on page.
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2020-06-11 23:08 [#02603246]
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I do wonder if there's some occult shit going on tbh, by which i mean fuck knows what, don't even bother trying to figure it out
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2020-06-11 23:15 [#02603249]
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satellite encampment
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2020-06-11 23:21 [#02603252]
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Elon Musk concerns me much more that Bill Gates, Elon is a sociopath and i think a megalomaniac
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2020-06-11 23:22 [#02603253]
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whats that a picture of?
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2020-06-11 23:25 [#02603254]
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LAZY_TITLE
interesting vid
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2020-06-12 02:19 [#02603261]
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steve mcqueen ~ it sounds like you're talking about EEG interfaces, some hedset you put on teh your hed. if you want a quality signal, you're recommended to shave your head and attach the one-off sticky leads (the ones they use for the chest version of this, EKG) directly to your bald scalp. at this point, well, if your brain were a U2 concert, you'd have the equivalent of someone standing two blocks away from the arena, trying to figure out what song bono is... whatever verb bono does. with training -- hours to days -- people can learn to do the equivalent of pressing a few buttons over this.
one experiment i recall was essentially having someone drive a remote controlled boat around a kiddie pool, and, while it succeeded, yes, it took anyone who tried a significant amount of practice to learn to control their brainwaves to the point where they could deliberately control the boat.
neuralink is something entirely different -- invasive brain surgery, performed by robots, designed to directly interface with a piddling number of neurons. i forget what it was, but it was something like 256 or 1024 neurons to the bajillions in the brain. in theory, i guess, you may be able to learn to control that more exactly, in time, but the "brain surgery" part means only spinal injury patients would even be half-uncrazy to try this. but perhaps you could get more nuanced control.
in my teens, i realized i was queuing hand motions. i was thinking about patterns of finger movement: do that, that, and that. then wait for my fingers to catch up. while my fingers are moving, think about what i want to do next, and play the patterns of motion in my head... sort of like a movie, but rather less visual, more feel. i remember raising my hand at some lecture when i was fifteen, trying to describe this, and when can we just have a computer read this, because my hands are too slow, they're holding my brain back?
and i have long posts to write.
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2020-06-12 02:30 [#02603262]
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someday... unfortunately, likely past my lifetime... if humanity doesn't blow itself up... perhaps we'll use something like this recent development to create something like the tesla-coil-sparky host/computer interface bernard briefly uses in westworld to log into the valley and find ford there (spoilers)
and perhaps the brain-invading robots will scale up to a more relevant number of neurons, too, but for now it's a last-ditch effort to network quadriplegics
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2020-06-12 02:39 [#02603263]
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or maybe bernard met ford for a hax at the head hole drill part; can't recall (spoilers)
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2020-06-12 02:57 [#02603264]
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invasive brain surgery
heading up the obvious question -- what constitutes non-invasive brain surgery? -- i present donald j. trump supporters
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2020-06-12 03:00 [#02603265]
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oh, it's a 25 minute joe rogan video. i hadn't noticed. i haven't watched it yet. i might
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2020-06-12 03:11 [#02603266]
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joe rogan asks musk if he anticipates any cognitive benefits.
elon musk's brain crashes. he repeatedly starts to formulate an answer; rejects it. his facial expressions and aborted sentences provide debug output. well... i guess you could... it depends on you how you define 'benefit' -- but... for...
and then he reboots and starts regurgitating his sales pitch again.
so far, though, this seems reasonable. a neural bypass for spinal injury than it is any sort of ~brain-computer interface~. also, i want to drop a brick on joe rogan's little toe
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2020-06-12 03:13 [#02603267]
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2020-06-12 03:18 [#02603268]
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aaaugh god i hate joe rogan. asking about "frequencies"
musk utterly fails to explain that they don't just "stimulate" the brain, they also read neural response. the two-way part is important. it's not some mail-order magnet that just pumps good harmonics in and fixes the shit
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2020-06-12 03:25 [#02603269]
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LAZY_TITLE serious 2016 vibes right now
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2020-06-12 20:23 [#02603289]
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There are other videos about it on YouTube
Quite disturbing really
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belb
from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2020-06-12 21:55 [#02603291]
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speaking of all things musky
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belb
from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2020-06-12 21:59 [#02603292]
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he's a minky, musky, sly old foxy stoat
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2020-06-12 22:04 [#02603294]
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musky sly old foxy stoat!
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2020-06-12 22:05 [#02603295]
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foxy stoat...on the prowl....
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2020-06-12 22:32 [#02603296]
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she's a real sex parakeet
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2020-06-12 22:51 [#02603297]
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stoaty
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2020-06-13 02:01 [#02603316]
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sorry, didn't realize i walked into the annals of british sitcomidry
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2020-06-13 02:03 [#02603317]
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2020-06-13 02:07 [#02603318]
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global thermonuclear manners
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2020-06-13 02:12 [#02603319]
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"nice trousers!"
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2020-06-13 02:29 [#02603321]
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"what about the god damn jaffa cakes asswipe!"
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2020-06-13 02:50 [#02603322]
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england seems rough
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2020-06-13 02:57 [#02603323]
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yeah some parts deffo are, the look of the show was sort of run down squalid little flat
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2020-06-13 03:36 [#02603325]
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why must it be called flat stop being so british goddamn it
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2020-08-26 17:54 [#02605689]
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friday, a promised demo
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belb
from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2020-08-26 18:10 [#02605690]
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would you let elon's sewing machine loose on yr hed? maybe he'll do it on grimes
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2020-08-29 10:43 [#02605744]
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Should be illegal
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Portnoy
on 2020-08-30 12:32 [#02605773]
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I wouldn't let them
I don't mind devices that I put on like a watch the ti can take off
a permanent link? gtfo
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2020-09-18 19:06 [#02606116]
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when Elon Musk talks about AI, either Elon Musk hasn't got a clue what he is talking about, or Elon Musk is attemping mislead peoplke.
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2020-09-18 19:08 [#02606117]
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Same goes for any of those 'Singularity' folks. This really should not be a controversial opinion.
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2020-09-19 03:06 [#02606131]
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the house i just moved into is really really old and there's some small room just before the attic. i'm told it's called the "sewing room" because that's where they'd sew stuff up stuff in the 20's. go figure, it gets the best light of anywhere in the house; figure i'll set up my neurosurgery robot there
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2020-09-19 03:07 [#02606132]
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elon musk gets it right eventually, but even if i were a paraplegic i probably wouldn't sign up for his shit right now
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