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phase i ~ rambly prelude the first proper mixer i had was a yamaha mg 16/6fx. it lasted me a decade, with only one tear-down servicing done by yours truly, and finally walked off when i left a bunch of my stuff with a guy i'd been renting a room from with the understanding that i would be coming back for it. months later, he's "given away" most of my stuff. we're friends -- still are -- and i could tell he just felt totally shitty about it. he was worried i was going to freak out and scream, which, but instead i just wanted to cry. i went right for the mixer: can you just get my mixer back? i've had it since high school. nope, gone. had a 24/14fx for a bit, but had to sell that off before the 16/6fx even walked off on me. phase ii ~ oh, fuck it i keep meaning to try playing the moog grandmother and just freehanding live overdubs and seeing if it goes anywhere or not. i finally get around to it, today, and i realize: i can't record an overdub without the first track being mixed into a second track. some frantic attempted rewiring ensures, and, well, i free up a channel with clever, but, no, if i want to do multitrack, i need a mixer with busses. fuck it. does yamaha still make my babies? ok, yes, there's an equivalent model. they've added some 80s vaporwave graphics and a no-adjust "comp" knob... and more aux sends! aux sends are like oxygen to me phase iii ~ impulse guitar center has it. i can get it right now and keep working on stuff. i do. but, when i get it home, fuck: they have no 1/4" in on the mono, just XLR. so around to a local store where i promptly buy all the female XLR to mono 1/4" female they have (6) and some rca to 1/4" too phase iv ~ impressions the XLR jacks feel a little cheaper. the FX still sound nice. the layout is effectively identical, making me feel right at home. more later |
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apparently it can record stereo mixdown to USB! couldn't give less of a shit. will likely never use USB port |
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updated impression: my korg monotron delay's aux input jack has clearly become slightly desoldered from the board and i will have to take it apart and fix it. poo |
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that sucks i have a cheap soundcraft desk cost me £100, it works and was cheap enough it has onboard fx which i never use |
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that grandmother is a work of art |
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I got it to fill the void left from selling my sh101 a few years back. It doesn't sound... Roland. It sounds Moog. The PWM on the sh101, the filter, sounded richer... But the grandmother still sounds fantastic, and it's way, way more flexible than the sh101.... so, decent compromise, really. If you need a monosynth, it's a great choice. And, yes, it is purdy (And the aesthetic matches the mixer nicely) |
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I sold my sh101s Now I have just a teisco 60f which you can find for cheap |
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Grandmother sounds sweet man |
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Oh I'm good, now. It was my long-winded way of saying it's lovely to have this mixer back, bit of an emotional reunion. Would have done this sooner but since I'd been able to make do with what I had, I opted to just save money instead. But I got the limit yesterday and it's no longer frivolous I use the internal fx. Limited, but really creamy. Also know their stable of FX options well from years of having the mg16/6fx's built-in fx be my only multifx for my first few years of hardwares |
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Yamaha do good fx |
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I got the grandmother to kind of replace the sh101 I had to sell off afew years back. They have very different personalities. The sh101 sounds nicer -- or, well, like an sh101. But the sh101 just does the sh101; the grandmother is much more flexible. And, yes, it is purdy. |
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What I think would make these mixers really sweet is if you could have separate per-channel FX, rather than one global setting. I recognize it would require double the DSP power again for every additional simultaneous channel, but it would make onboard FX much more useful. Can't have everything for $499, though. |
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my old 16/6fx had "insert" on every channel -- a point where you're deliberately allowed to interrupt the signal chain. you plug a stereo phono into the insert jack. one channel out, one channel back in. if you don't send it back in, you hear nothing. the idea is you could plug it into a quadraverb or something and set wet/dry to taste. i absolutely never used this. if i wanted FX on just one thing, i'd just wire the FX into it before it even hits the mixer. like, putting a stomp box after a synth. meanwhile -- how the hell would you lay out the controls?! you need at least one knob to select the multifx type, and another for ~parameter~ -- reverb time, whatever. i suppose you could have buttons and an onboard computer, like -- select channel 7, change fx type, then just a dedicated ~parameter~ knob per channel -- but then you're into computers and menus and patches, exactly the opposite of what you want in an analog mixer. it should all be there, direct, no menus or abstraction (unless you're an expensive studio with a board that features full automation). this is why i say aux sends are "like oxygen" to me. i don't want per-channel FX, i want access to a fair number of FX at once. i want to be able to send the output of FX back into the FX and create unholy feedback loops |
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no, you'd also need a wet/dry knob.... fx type, fx parameter (i.e. reverb/delay time), wet/dry. three knobs, you're talking physical real estate here. 16 channel standard that'd be bad enough, but scale it up further and it gets worse. no, i'd rather have three aux sends instead, or two and an aux send to a common fx bank but i do suppose it depends on how you do. plugins, i would tinker with per-synth FX forever, automation too, but with hardware, i more prefer to have a palette of FX available and use it sort of like a watercolor wash. particularly love feeding fx back into each other, through the filter of a synth, mix the output of that back in for recursive spirals |
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vaguely back on topic, there is the , which is what i got, , which does not USB, loses the FX for another aux, and which has no USB, 2x onboard FX -1xAux, and has words like "ducker" and "stereo imaging" that clearly mark this as a board for live audio engineering at some venue and absolutely not what some acid house hed wants. my first propa board was an and it was amazing. i have deep nostalgia for the FX built into that fing. it was actually quite pleasant to rapidly sweep the "which effect" rotary switch in time to the beat. it was one of those corners, where, eventually, i would just sort of reach out and do it at the right moment without even thinking about it this is why i opted for the 16UX -- because i want those effects back. unfortunately, it's now some rotary encoder push-and-select crap and i can't sweet the ~which FX~ with hedonistic abandon. they've added a nice 8-segment display kinda deal, though, and the engineer in me sez this is because the USB crap needs to output a message sometimes and so the eight segment display can do that but for input to the USB settings we need to turn a totally satisfying rotary switch into tedious menu shit could care less about USB ability in the thing. i might try it someday, though, who knows generally, though, feel yamaha gets it. here's a board with no fx, no usb, lots of aux. here's a board with usb and 1 fx and a bit less aux. here's a tuned hybrid for live alt rock gigs never mind a board that has per-channel fx. layout is really what i have some words for |
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~ yamaha MG16/FX, korg ms2000, mpc1000, circa 2007. i had gone round back the mixer and plugged the onboard FX out back into channel 1, at which point i could feed it back into itself. the MS2000 had its own flange/tape delay but that was just on itself, rest was just the board's fx talking to itself about what it'd just herd |
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oh, poo. i went to try that again just now, and there's no output jack for the internal fx return. but, i'm not using buss 3-4, so i could just monopolize that; sent it out on just the RETURN FX channel and none of the rest to effectively simulate that one jack i have plenty of nitpicks, but, gosh, designing a mixer would drive me crazy. not the circuits, just the general layout. there will never be an absence of compromise. this is why it makes sense that yamaha has two models along a continuum and then one that's swapped a bunch of bits out to optimize it for a different context. in an ideal world, we'd have a few more models than two aside from the live sound fiesta, but oh well, i respect economics, again, for $499. the lo-end model doesn't have yamha fx, the live model has 2 yamaha fx; the mid model has 1x yamaha fx and usb shenanigans. process engineering kicks in; all three models are designed/milled to minimize differences between them to reduce manufacture costs. so you have the barebones model, with loads of unused panel space, the model i have, with 1x yamaha fx and a stunted interface constrained by the demands of MGP16X, which has all sorts of esoteric widgets, and so the other two models have to just be that layout with some empty space makes me nervous working on new nice fings, but perhaps there is some modding hedroom, here. |
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Fucking epic! |
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congo brazzaville |
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...thanks, guys. I think |
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