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"Rather than the old recoiling from the ‘new’ in fear and incomprehension, those whose expectations were formed in an earlier era are more likely to be startled by the sheer persistence of recognisable forms. Nowhere is this clearer than in popular music culture. It was through the mutations of popular music that many of those of us who grew up in the 1960s, 70s and 80s learned to measure the passage of cultural time. But faced with 21st Century music, it is the very sense of future shock which has disappeared. This is quickly established by performing a simple thought experiment. Imagine any record released in the past couple of years being beamed back in time to, say, 1995 and played on the radio. It’s hard to think that it will produce any jolt in the listeners. On the contrary, what would be likely to shock our 1995 audience would be the very recognisability of the sounds: would music really have changed so little in the next seventeen years? Contrast this with the rapid turnover of styles between the 1960s and the 90s: play a jungle record from 1993 to someone in 1989 and it would have sounded like something so new that it challenged them to rethink what music was, or could be. While 20th Century experimental culture was seized by a recombinatorial delirium, which made it feel as if newness was infinitely available, the 21st Century is oppressed by a crushing sense of finitude and exhaustion. It doesn’t feel like the future. Or, alternatively, it doesn’t feel as if the 21st Century has started yet." |
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Im sure there have been stagnation like periods in previous centuries, I think its cos the 20th century was such a radical change to human culture everything else seems pedestrian, its true though I haven't noticed much cultural difference in the past 15 years apart from the internet thought police |
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this is a good illustration of the massive explosion of creativity in the 80s and 90s and now seems just to be minor variations on a theme |
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> its true though I haven't noticed much cultural difference in the past 15 years apart from the internet thought police Hm yes, Fisher wrote about |
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bookmarked for later reading, but i'll wade in prematurely anyway: it's all about the low end. better, smaller speakers and headphones than in 1995 - you don't have to go out clubbing to feel that bass weight, even in pop music. producers are aware of bass in a way that they didn't used to be, and a pop record now is influenced by dubstep and trap in sound palette and eq as well as rhythm. halfstep beat patterns from dubstep have been the main rhythmic shift, it's everywhere now but was alien to the 90s. listening to guitar music from then reveals it to be pretty fucking tinny, and glitch stuff from around that time is very polite in bass terms too. neither has halfstep or anythung like todays 808-clones and weighty soundsystem influence. granted, jungle had thundering sub too but it never infiltrated popular music in the same way. i'm convinced a combination of software availability, better speaker quality and dubstep / trap have influenced popular music like nothing else. happy to hear rebuttals tho! |
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yeah there is this culture of totally witch hunting someone if they say the slightest thing that might be perceived offensive that is really fucked up, its really bad harassment some of it |
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another topic i've been stewing on -- how much is there left to do in music? i remember i was home from high school on christmas break and i got the newly-released drukqs from amazon on CD, and i was positively freaking out over it. super, wicked excited. i naively assumed that was going to be something that kept happening. i fear we've reached a point where innovation in music has effectively saturated the mammal brain. it's not too bad; music has endless stylistic variations that will allow for fresh creation forever more. however, in terms of sheer technical depth, it's kind of hard to make something that is simultaneously more complex than what came before, yet still accessible. you can make increasingly technical magic-ear kinda music like autechre, or classical music so technical no one gets it, but since no one gets it, it doesn't go very far beyond people who have spent years building up the mental architecture to perceive what's actually good about the music. there is probably still a bit to be done, but we're already beyond the chord/melody aspects of music and into psychoacoustics, deft use of sociological touchstones, whatever on the front of ~pop~ music, dubstep came and went. dubstep : genre :: orch hit : sample. and now it's burned itself out. it was a cheap trick that grabbed people, then they got used to it, now it's just part of the larger library of sounds |
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i need some better sub machinery for writing jungle |
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guess i need to raise $4k |
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No offense but this is fucking bullshit. I mean take Lizzo for instance. There's no way a gorgeous, unapologetically plus-size black woman twerking in a bodysuit while playing the flute would be nominated for an MTV Video Music Award in 1995. |
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White males who can't tell the difference between now and 1995 have no business doing cultural commentary at all. |
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Seriously if you think this consider donating your account to CJAX and registering on the Steve Hoffman forum instead. |
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who the fuck is lizzo |
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here's a conspiracy for you don't these logos look similar? a little too similar? you might have to tell mom to get someone else next time she goes to the store |
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, car |
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_memory |
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Now I know you're a bot. |
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we're all bots just made of meat not software |
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we live in the cunt epoch |
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dont care too much about lack of change in music, but where´s my jetpack and robotic pet-pal?! (combined if necessary) |
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It's like that joke about the piano player who only plays the same note over and over again, - other people are looking for it, he's found it. Don't listen to journos, 99% of them are only in it for the £££ and wouldn't know a good tune unless their fucking 'warm arts' London dinner party peer group tells them about it. |
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BTW the important part in the last sentense is peer group... I bet u could run network simulations of this where the nodes are less succeptible to outside influnces, won't be as chaotic, as fast changing, interesting. |
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Everyone is FAR more connected, but i reckon the 'random' links between groups are far less, somehow |
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