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diemax
from somewhere in tennessee :( (United States) on 2002-04-22 00:02 [#00188133]
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okay i'm out of ideas for the past month i've been getting a millisecond lag on the program reason, and on protools with my external midi devices (i.e. keyboard, groovebox, etc...)
it's just noticeable enough to completely fuck me over whenever i'm trying to record something i'm keying in... does anyone have any possible solutions, advice etc...?
i've tried 3 sound cards, 3 midi devices, 2 chords, and nothing works the lag is still there- what's more i found that on reason the lag exists even if i use my mouse to select a note on the keyboard,
again- any assistance/help/whatever would be nice
-chucn
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xlr
from Boston (United States) on 2002-04-22 00:08 [#00188144]
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What kind of computer / OS are you using?
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-22 00:09 [#00188148]
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my computer can be weird like that, don't ask me why but defragging my HD helped
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Sido Dyas
from a computer on 2002-04-22 00:10 [#00188149]
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The only thing i know is that in Cubase the system preroll setting in syncronisation menu should match the audio latency millisecond amount in audio system menu or else you will have timing problems.
Maybe theres a similar adjustment you most do in protools?
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-04-22 00:10 [#00188150]
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hhmmmm..... now i dont know much about midi, but:
does ur computer suck?
make sure u have as much ram free as possible (quite programs, etc)
also, try downloading the newest drivers for ur soundcard, equipment
also: try all the different drivers you have... it might give u a choice of more than one for each device, and it can make a big difference
sorry if these are suggestions are stupid or really obvious.. i dont really know what im talking about
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diemax
from somewhere in tennessee :( (United States) on 2002-04-22 01:11 [#00188222]
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okay - in that order i've tried all of those things- including reinstalling programs (i use winme, by the way) and nothing else is working... i've tried 3 different soundcards all with the latest drivers i could find on hitsquad.com
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Sido Dyas
from a computer on 2002-04-22 01:13 [#00188224]
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no system preroll setting in protools?
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2002-04-22 01:22 [#00188229]
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simple answer - midi is shite having attempted to progam a sequencer for my computers degree some 9 years ago, i can safely say that if/whew i catch up with the person who invented this downright evil protocol, he will only have seconds to live
avoid at all costs
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2002-04-22 01:25 [#00188233]
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sorry diemax, i know that wasn't help but never a truer word i have spoken
and it made me feel better
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diemax
from somewhere in tennessee :( (United States) on 2002-04-22 01:27 [#00188237]
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hm... yeah but the problem i'm having really isn't in protools, i record by ear, not by midi- so that doesn't matter- it's the keyboard thing that's driving me fuckin' insane (sido)
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diemax
from somewhere in tennessee :( (United States) on 2002-04-22 01:29 [#00188239]
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could protools be fuckin' up the midi on the rest of my cpu?
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2002-04-22 01:31 [#00188242]
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Try minimizing the distance between the folders your program files are in. Get them as close to c: as possible.
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diemax
from somewhere in tennessee :( (United States) on 2002-04-22 01:33 [#00188244]
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programs eh? okay should i also have the reference files .wavs and .rex2s close to c: too?
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Quoth
from Sweden on 2002-04-22 01:35 [#00188245]
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dump some water on your computer w/it's lids off :) that should get it's jollies up & speed a lot of shit up :)
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urb
from Trondheim (Norway) on 2002-04-22 01:37 [#00188247]
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what do you mean by a millisecond lag? in reason one millisecond of lag is quite good.
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jingle
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-22 01:38 [#00188248]
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if you are noticing a lag it is more than 30 milliseconds so you could try altering the buffer size etc and getting the newest drivers you can (remember to archive the old ones tho) and think of any programmes you may have installed recently that may cause the prob (even non audio ones). with regard to keying in (you mean from an external keyboard right?) record straight into midi (dont play a soft synth "live" but use the shitty sounds on your card and drop the data into a soft synth track). also render stuff to audio rather than on the fly to save resources. if all else fails try recording at half tempo and speed it up so that you playing will only be half as innacurate (a half second recording lag will be a quarter second playback lag)
there is lots more try if that is no good
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diemax
from somewhere in tennessee :( (United States) on 2002-04-22 01:39 [#00188249]
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okay, tax it sorta improved it- but only marginally any other ideas?
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diemax
from somewhere in tennessee :( (United States) on 2002-04-22 01:40 [#00188250]
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okay i usually do recordings at half tempo and it's still too much lag to be left unnonticed, any other ideas would help, i'll try them all, only now i'm off to watch a monty python movies
thanks in advance for any suggestions, and cheers
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jingle
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-22 01:41 [#00188252]
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also try checking if you are using wordclock or the other sync thingy: i never dealt with them myself but i know there is more than one and the are both cocktorture to deal with: maybe installing one program has changed the sync format or sumpin like dat
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jingle
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-22 01:49 [#00188257]
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get the lastest synth updates as well or try getting hold of sounddiver to check everything is cool with the rest of your setup: if you have installed any direct x or games stuff check for any dll files that may have been written over. have you tried playing the keyboard straight into a groovebox midi in (take the computer out of the equation to see if your hardware is not also buggy. reinstalls might do it but load up the offending programms and do a reboot (three key one not the start menu one and go into safe mode. if you have a bad driver/glitch it will detect and repair it in most cases. if you try a defrag it may take about a week for the computer to get back up to full quality
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diemax
from somewhere in tennessee :( (United States) on 2002-04-22 02:59 [#00188286]
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dammit that all sounds like it'll work (except quoths suggestion, which fixed my video card but then my computer caught fire) so i'll get to it now... sound diver eh? would i find that on slsk or brshr?
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diemax
from somewhere in tennessee :( (United States) on 2002-04-22 03:03 [#00188290]
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turns out it was an output latency problem (if only i'd checked the preferences menu earlier) but thanks for all your help, except quoth, because if i were dumber than i am (not too hard to imagine) i might've actually taken his advice...
my stepbrother says that boy scouts are supposed to be nicer to there fellow man...
for shame anyways thanks everyone -sincerely, me
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-04-22 03:35 [#00188322]
Points: 3476 Status: Regular | Followup to diemax: #00188290
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u mentioned u were using Windows ME hm..... i heard it was sort of shitty and finiky, and there are some issues w/ it
why not try it with a more standard OS like WIN98? win98 is pretty much the standard that all the drivers were proably designed to run on... so maybe it would help if tried switching to it?
...uve got nothin to lose
again, i should warn u that i have almost no idea what im talking about
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-04-22 03:36 [#00188324]
Points: 3476 Status: Regular | Followup to diemax: #00188290
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oh, i'm an idiot
does this mean uve already solved the problem completely?
if so, disregard that last post, sorry:)
i should have read ur post more carefully
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map
from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2002-04-22 07:38 [#00188511]
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if you're using samples: trim the samples exactly at the start... use a wave editor, like wavelab, deactivate your USB interface...
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