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offline RussellDust on 2019-04-24 14:52 [#02575552]
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I’m not much into these films but this one is getting
pretty great reviews. Does that mean I have to watch
the others before? Only seen the iron man ones and ant man.


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-04-24 14:55 [#02575553]
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The order recommended.


 

online Roger Wilco from nude idol on 2019-04-24 15:01 [#02575554]
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One can only conclude there's some collective madness
crossed with accelerating chronic infantilisation going on.

We need another war.

One much closer to home.


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-04-24 15:39 [#02575558]
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Oh hi, Roger Wilco... didn’t you love Black Panther?

I enjoyed the first and second Iron Man and Ant Man was fun,
with a John Hughes (cosy) quality to it.


 

online Roger Wilco from nude idol on 2019-04-24 16:02 [#02575560]
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I did like Black Panther, though I think people lost
their minds
over what was an OK movie that
managed to position itself as the first film ever made
with a black man in it
. I also saw Ant Man and Wasp
which was about as zero-calorie entertainment as you
can get.

This is what passes for a story these days; set up some
things early on and then refer to them later.

It's pointless me moaning about something that will make 1
Trillion dollars and bring harmless joy to masses of people
the world over. I'm just saying it's fucking stupid.


 

offline Tony Danza from halloween town on 2019-04-24 16:34 [#02575562]
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lol they're superhero movies, enjoy them for what they are
or stay home scowling and polishing your dentures

I think the Disney streaming service will have launched
before Avengers: Up The Bottom Game makes it to Netflix so I
will probably have to pirate this mother's fucker.


 

online Roger Wilco from nude idol on 2019-04-24 16:51 [#02575564]
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Master Wilco doesn't give a shit for these films either, and
last time I checked he had all his teeth.


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-04-24 18:07 [#02575576]
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You have to admit it’s getting pretty unimaginative. Is
this what people dream of? Of course I understand what you
mean, to take it as a bit of fun, but the collective idea of
what fun is seems pretty narrow now and completely industry
driven.


 

offline mohamed on 2019-04-24 18:42 [#02575581]
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you deserve it


 

offline Tony Danza from halloween town on 2019-04-24 18:42 [#02575582]
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Fellas, when was the last time you came away from a big
budget epic movie in a big budget epic series saying "wow!
that was fantastic!"

For me it was the Lord of the Rings movies. I don't think it
happens too often. You should actively expect a mediocre
experience. Then, when it isn't, you're pleasantly
surprised.

Anyways now that Disney owns literally all popular
intellectual property I'm really looking forward to the Star
Wars vs. Aliens reboot where it's revealed that Darth
Vader's suit uses Tony Stark technology.


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-04-24 19:11 [#02575587]
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yeah probably same here, for epic fun


 

online Roger Wilco from nude idol on 2019-04-24 19:11 [#02575589]
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I don't want to be _that guy_ (bit late now),... I dunno. I
enjoyed LOTR but yes, in terms of BIG films... so many let
downs.

What was the last good BIG Sci Fi? And don't say Blade
Runner 2049, because I hated it (might have to watch it
again)


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-04-24 19:19 [#02575591]
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I saw them on the telly but last big budget sci-fi movies I
enjoyed where Arrival and Interstellar. I enjoyed the recent
Star Wars films, haven’t watched Solo.


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-04-24 19:21 [#02575592]
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I didn’t mind Prometheus and whatever the “sort of
sequel” is called.


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-04-24 19:23 [#02575593]
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yeah I enjoyed them in the cinema as well, I think blade
runner 2049 was good, considering it could have been much
worse, i.e they could have cast the rock in the lead role


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-04-24 19:23 [#02575594]
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I really enjoyed the revenant that was good


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-04-24 19:25 [#02575595]
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I love blade runner so much I’m rather scared to watch
2049. I hear it feels very “empty”. And obviously I
can’t imagine it living up to the first one. Nevertheless
I’ll watch it next time it turns up on tv.


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-04-24 19:26 [#02575596]
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Not seen that, but it’s reminded of the title I had
forgotten: Aline Covenant.


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-04-24 19:27 [#02575597]
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Hee hee


 

offline Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2019-04-24 19:48 [#02575599]
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Russell you have to watch:

Avengers > avengers 2 > Captain America 2 > GotG > Captain
America 3 > Dr strange > Thor 3 > avengers 3

If you want a good idea of what's going on.
If you want a basic idea just watch the avengers movies and
cap 3.

Last big budget movie that I thought was great was probably
the last mission impossible.


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-04-24 19:59 [#02575601]
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yeah empty is a good way to describe it, I mean its not a
patch on the original IMHO but I enjoyed it as it was it
could have done with editing, I know the original has a slow
pace to set the mood and tone, but most of the new one felt
like extended glacial spinner shots which not much meat,
also wasn't to fond of the holographic girlfriend love scene



 

offline Tony Danza from halloween town on 2019-04-24 20:02 [#02575602]
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2049 was doomed from the start because it's an unnecessary
sequel to one of the greatest movies ever made. However even
with that going against it, I thought it was good. 7/10

Bad things about 2049: Jared Leto, the aforementioned lack
of necessity, the slowwwww pace. I like atmosphere too but
you could have easily cut 20 minutes to half an hour and
made a better movie out of it.

Sometimes the long drawn out shots and scenes work in its
favour though. For example the endless fight in the flooding
car. What an uncanny scene, with the clean and
preternaturally well lit car being invaded by nature. Best
sequence in the movie and the one that stays with me.

The missus and I re-watched Blade Runner in preparation for
2049. After the original Blade Runner we stayed up late into
the night, arguing about theme and plot points and symbolism
and the politics of replicant rights. After watching 2049 we
talked for a few minutes about the actors and called it a
night.


 

offline Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2019-04-24 20:04 [#02575603]
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BR2049 focused too much on the aesthetics and not everything
else that made the original great and then wallowed in how
bloody fab it looked and sounded.


 

offline Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2019-04-24 20:10 [#02575605]
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The whole movie didn't manage to have a single character as
interesting and memorable as "he say you brade runnah" guy.


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-04-24 20:14 [#02575607]
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yeah you right it was hollow in that respect, in a way makes
me appreciate the original even more even though its
probably my fave film, Rutger Hauer with his little sayings
and mannerism, BR 2049 I cant remember any of the characters
I guess apart from the evil woman replicant who was quite
good


 

offline Tony Danza from halloween town on 2019-04-24 22:06 [#02575667]
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Ha! It was missing some colour and sense of humour, that's
for sure. No way would 2049 have a scene like where Harrison
Ford pretends to be the titty inspector to get into Zhora's
dressing room.

Villeneuve treated it like a church service, perhaps because
the original was such a holy relic in movie history and
especially in sci fi movie history, so the whole thing got a
bit po-faced. Doesn't bode well for Villeneuve's Dune, but
on the other hand Dune itself is a bit po-faced so maybe
that's a better fit for him.


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-04-24 22:10 [#02575669]
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yeah that's a good point, it was too reverential so it ended
up in pastiche territory


 

offline Tony Danza from halloween town on 2019-04-24 23:30 [#02575685]
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Right! Pastiche is a good word, like what August Derleth did
with the Cthulhu Mythos.

Does that make 2049... fanfiction?


 

offline mermaidman on 2019-04-24 23:50 [#02575688]
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you could watch it if you were high i guess


 

offline mermaidman on 2019-04-24 23:52 [#02575689]
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oh avengers has scarlett johansson in it so that's very
good... only a montage of the scenes she's in maybe


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2019-04-25 00:04 [#02575692]
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oh another franchise factory movie

if i'm going to watch a movie with someone and they're all
adamant about avengers... sure, alright. i enjoy it well
enough

however, i can't see myself watching that sort of thing when
i'm just in the mood for a movie.


 

offline Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2019-04-26 09:19 [#02575893]
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I went with three friends to watch it, two of whom have been
reading the comics for 30 odd years. I have seen most of the
marvel movies and don't rate them too highly, they're
popcorn fodder that gets progressively more bogged down in
franchise hooks. Having said that I enjoyed this one because
there's only really one big CGI action scene and lots of
chatting, the focus is more on character interactions and
even if those characters are very one note the film does
it's best to try and give each of them some texture at
least. I like time travel stories and there's a bunch of
that in this. It does suffer a bit from return of the king's
"too many endings". There is a lot of talk about loss and
grief and one of the characters is depressed, the whole
first hour is basically like this, I thought that was a lot
for a kids film and don't know if kids will like the movie.
The two comic book reader friends had different problems
with the movie than me, especially with captain America's
ending which I thought was sweet and touching and reflected
how he had grown thanks to his relationship with iron man
but they felt it was against character. The movie is 3 hours
(!) long and packs so much in that there are still entire
subplots that happen off screen and are handled with a
single line of dialogue which didn't bother me because I
just went with the flow of the movie but my friends were
irked because it left them with a whole list of questions.
Although the marvel movies aren't particularly great this
one really cements that having a singular 22 film story is
quite an impressive achievement in film, it allows small
nuggets of character development to take place over many
appearances and have them culminate in a character whose
motivations you understand without having them explained.

My favourite part was when all of the female superheroes
came together and had a big splash page pose because one guy
a few rows away actually scoffed. Made me smile.

6/10


 

online Roger Wilco from nude idol on 2019-04-26 09:33 [#02575894]
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In Blade Runner 2049 I did involuntarily scoff (my actual
outburst was "oh come on" shortly before I was
sharply elbowed in the ribs by Missus Wilco) at the bit
where they play Roy's legendary "Tears in rain" music over
Ryan "Fucking" Gosling laying on the floor with that fucking
blank look on his blank pretty-boy fucking face in a scene
with all the impact of fucking nothing.


 

offline Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2019-04-26 10:06 [#02575900]
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I'm not surprised, it was completely unearned and total
pandering.


 

online Roger Wilco from nude idol on 2019-04-26 10:42 [#02575902]
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Exactly.


 

offline Tony Danza from halloween town on 2019-04-26 11:55 [#02575903]
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you dipshits, it's meant to contrast with the ending of the
first one, where roy's memories will be "lost like tears in
rain", because "all the best memories are hers" and K takes
comfort that he has some continuity and even shared identity
with the surviving first replicant child


 

offline Tony Danza from halloween town on 2019-04-26 12:10 [#02575904]
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so to be even more explicit, while the first Blade Runner is
all about self and how memory creates personal identity,
2049 goes beyond that and shows how memory / shared
narrative can drive choices that transcend identity and
achieve selflessness


 

offline wavephace from President, CJAX on 2019-04-26 12:41 [#02575909]
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I'm psyched for this one! But hopefully it's not actually
the end...


 

offline Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2019-04-26 12:51 [#02575914]
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I get that but the use of the music was very blunt.


 

offline Tony Danza from halloween town on 2019-04-26 13:12 [#02575917]
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Blunt, yes. But so was exhuming Harrison Ford's coffin so he
could reprise the role of Deckard. I mean if there's any
pleasure to be had in watching 2049 you have to accept that
it's riffing on the original.

Here's why I liked K's death scene, music or not. He just
reached his lowest point, where Joi was revealed as even
more of a simulation, where the giant advertising Joi also
called him Joe. He realizes that his whole life was a lie,
images of good food projected on bad, images of his unreal
lover projected on a replicant prostitute, and so on.

So the one thing about him that's real isn't his. It belongs
to Dr. Stelline. And it's a gift of true identity that she
gave him, a piece of herself, the memory of a hybrid
replicant born like a real person, and he honors her, both
her own life and what she represents for the future of
replicants, by sacrificing himself bringing Deckard and
Stelline together.

I think he earned the music.


 

online Roger Wilco from nude idol on 2019-04-26 13:57 [#02575918]
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Hardly.


 

offline Tony Danza from halloween town on 2019-04-26 14:14 [#02575919]
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Yes well it's nothing compared to Deckard's original
motivation, "I want to kill a few more robot slaves and fuck
the robot slave girl"


 

online Roger Wilco from nude idol on 2019-04-26 14:18 [#02575920]
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I don't care if Deckard's motivation in the original was
that he wanted to get home early to watch zero-g sports, all
that that music provoked in me was the realisation that I
was a watching the far inferior film.


 

offline Tony Danza from halloween town on 2019-04-26 14:32 [#02575921]
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Inferior to possibly the greatest movie ever made? You don't
say! I'm in agreement that it's not on the same level, but
it's nowhere near as far below its predecessor as, say,
Phantom Menace is beneath A New Hope or Empire or Return.


 

offline Tony Danza from halloween town on 2019-04-26 14:33 [#02575922]
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(oh dear it was a mistake to bring up star wars wasn't it)


 

online Roger Wilco from nude idol on 2019-04-26 14:59 [#02575923]
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I think it was the arrogance that annoyed me, the sheer
nerve
...

But no, you're right, it was not the WTF/LOL that was
Phantom Menace. I tell you what I did watch recently and
didn't think it was too bad (but then I am not one of
those guys that'll go so far as to say it's better).
2010. Yes, 2010 The Year We Make Contact.


 

offline Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2019-04-26 15:02 [#02575924]
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I'm gonna watch 2049 for a second time thanks to your posts
Danza.


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-04-26 15:35 [#02575929]
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yeah the worst part In the film was ryan gosling dying, as
his character wasn't particularly empathetic, his acting was
too robotic, the idea with the replicants is that you cant
tell they aren't human, Also seems like a forced parallel
with Roy Batty's death


 

offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2019-04-26 21:55 [#02575982]
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Toy advert for 6 year olds. Yeah I’m gonna watch this.
Dunno why. The latest Mel Gibson film is far superior.


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-04-26 22:01 [#02575984]
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Yet the Guardian and co give it maximum stars. It's got my
curiosity going and it’s why I made this thread.


 


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