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I’m not much into these films but this one is getting pretty great . Does that mean I have to watch the others before? Only seen the iron man ones and ant man. |
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The recommended. |
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One can only conclude there's some collective madness crossed with accelerating chronic infantilisation going on. We need another war. One much closer to home. |
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Oh hi, Roger Wilco... didn’t you love Black Panther? I enjoyed the first and second Iron Man and Ant Man was fun, with a John Hughes (cosy) quality to it. |
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I did like Black Panther, though I think people lost their minds over what was an OK movie that managed to position itself as the first film ever made with a black man in it. I also saw Ant Man and Wasp which was about as zero-calorie entertainment as you can get. This is what passes for a story these days; set up some things early on and then refer to them later. It's pointless me moaning about something that will make 1 Trillion dollars and bring harmless joy to masses of people the world over. I'm just saying it's fucking stupid. |
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lol they're superhero movies, enjoy them for what they are or stay home scowling and polishing your dentures I think the Disney streaming service will have launched before Avengers: Up The Bottom Game makes it to Netflix so I will probably have to pirate this mother's fucker. |
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Master Wilco doesn't give a shit for these films either, and last time I checked he had all his teeth. |
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You have to admit it’s getting pretty unimaginative. Is this what people dream of? Of course I understand what you mean, to take it as a bit of fun, but the collective idea of what fun is seems pretty narrow now and completely industry driven. |
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you deserve it |
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Fellas, when was the last time you came away from a big budget epic movie in a big budget epic series saying "wow! that was fantastic!" For me it was the Lord of the Rings movies. I don't think it happens too often. You should actively expect a mediocre experience. Then, when it isn't, you're pleasantly surprised. Anyways now that Disney owns literally all popular intellectual property I'm really looking forward to the Star Wars vs. Aliens reboot where it's revealed that Darth Vader's suit uses Tony Stark technology. |
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yeah probably same here, for epic fun |
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I don't want to be _that guy_ (bit late now),... I dunno. I enjoyed LOTR but yes, in terms of BIG films... so many let downs. What was the last good BIG Sci Fi? And don't say Blade Runner 2049, because I hated it (might have to watch it again) |
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I saw them on the telly but last big budget sci-fi movies I enjoyed where Arrival and Interstellar. I enjoyed the recent Star Wars films, haven’t watched Solo. |
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I didn’t mind Prometheus and whatever the “sort of sequel” is called. |
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yeah I enjoyed them in the cinema as well, I think blade runner 2049 was good, considering it could have been much worse, i.e they could have cast the rock in the lead role |
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I really enjoyed the revenant that was good |
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I love blade runner so much I’m rather scared to watch 2049. I hear it feels very “empty”. And obviously I can’t imagine it living up to the first one. Nevertheless I’ll watch it next time it turns up on tv. |
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Not seen that, but it’s reminded of the title I had forgotten: Aline Covenant. |
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Hee hee |
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Russell you have to watch: Avengers > avengers 2 > Captain America 2 > GotG > Captain America 3 > Dr strange > Thor 3 > avengers 3 If you want a good idea of what's going on. If you want a basic idea just watch the avengers movies and cap 3. Last big budget movie that I thought was great was probably the last mission impossible. |
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yeah empty is a good way to describe it, I mean its not a patch on the original IMHO but I enjoyed it as it was it could have done with editing, I know the original has a slow pace to set the mood and tone, but most of the new one felt like extended glacial spinner shots which not much meat, also wasn't to fond of the holographic girlfriend love scene |
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2049 was doomed from the start because it's an unnecessary sequel to one of the greatest movies ever made. However even with that going against it, I thought it was good. 7/10 Bad things about 2049: Jared Leto, the aforementioned lack of necessity, the slowwwww pace. I like atmosphere too but you could have easily cut 20 minutes to half an hour and made a better movie out of it. Sometimes the long drawn out shots and scenes work in its favour though. For example the endless fight in the flooding car. What an uncanny scene, with the clean and preternaturally well lit car being invaded by nature. Best sequence in the movie and the one that stays with me. The missus and I re-watched Blade Runner in preparation for 2049. After the original Blade Runner we stayed up late into the night, arguing about theme and plot points and symbolism and the politics of replicant rights. After watching 2049 we talked for a few minutes about the actors and called it a night. |
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BR2049 focused too much on the aesthetics and not everything else that made the original great and then wallowed in how bloody fab it looked and sounded. |
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The whole movie didn't manage to have a single character as interesting and memorable as "he say you brade runnah" guy. |
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yeah you right it was hollow in that respect, in a way makes me appreciate the original even more even though its probably my fave film, Rutger Hauer with his little sayings and mannerism, BR 2049 I cant remember any of the characters I guess apart from the evil woman replicant who was quite good |
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Ha! It was missing some colour and sense of humour, that's for sure. No way would 2049 have a scene like where Harrison Ford pretends to be the titty inspector to get into Zhora's dressing room. Villeneuve treated it like a church service, perhaps because the original was such a holy relic in movie history and especially in sci fi movie history, so the whole thing got a bit po-faced. Doesn't bode well for Villeneuve's Dune, but on the other hand Dune itself is a bit po-faced so maybe that's a better fit for him. |
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yeah that's a good point, it was too reverential so it ended up in pastiche territory |
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Right! Pastiche is a good word, like what August Derleth did with the Cthulhu Mythos. Does that make 2049... fanfiction? |
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you could watch it if you were high i guess |
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oh avengers has scarlett johansson in it so that's very good... only a montage of the scenes she's in maybe |
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oh another franchise factory movie if i'm going to watch a movie with someone and they're all adamant about avengers... sure, alright. i enjoy it well enough however, i can't see myself watching that sort of thing when i'm just in the mood for a movie. |
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I went with three friends to watch it, two of whom have been reading the comics for 30 odd years. I have seen most of the marvel movies and don't rate them too highly, they're popcorn fodder that gets progressively more bogged down in franchise hooks. Having said that I enjoyed this one because there's only really one big CGI action scene and lots of chatting, the focus is more on character interactions and even if those characters are very one note the film does it's best to try and give each of them some texture at least. I like time travel stories and there's a bunch of that in this. It does suffer a bit from return of the king's "too many endings". There is a lot of talk about loss and grief and one of the characters is depressed, the whole first hour is basically like this, I thought that was a lot for a kids film and don't know if kids will like the movie. The two comic book reader friends had different problems with the movie than me, especially with captain America's ending which I thought was sweet and touching and reflected how he had grown thanks to his relationship with iron man but they felt it was against character. The movie is 3 hours (!) long and packs so much in that there are still entire subplots that happen off screen and are handled with a single line of dialogue which didn't bother me because I just went with the flow of the movie but my friends were irked because it left them with a whole list of questions. Although the marvel movies aren't particularly great this one really cements that having a singular 22 film story is quite an impressive achievement in film, it allows small nuggets of character development to take place over many appearances and have them culminate in a character whose motivations you understand without having them explained. My favourite part was when all of the female superheroes came together and had a big splash page pose because one guy a few rows away actually scoffed. Made me smile. 6/10 |
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In Blade Runner 2049 I did involuntarily scoff (my actual outburst was "oh come on" shortly before I was sharply elbowed in the ribs by Missus Wilco) at the bit where they play Roy's legendary "Tears in rain" music over Ryan "Fucking" Gosling laying on the floor with that fucking blank look on his blank pretty-boy fucking face in a scene with all the impact of fucking nothing. |
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I'm not surprised, it was completely unearned and total pandering. |
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Exactly. |
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you dipshits, it's meant to contrast with the ending of the first one, where roy's memories will be "lost like tears in rain", because "all the best memories are hers" and K takes comfort that he has some continuity and even shared identity with the surviving first replicant child |
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so to be even more explicit, while the first Blade Runner is all about self and how memory creates personal identity, 2049 goes beyond that and shows how memory / shared narrative can drive choices that transcend identity and achieve selflessness |
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I'm psyched for this one! But hopefully it's not actually the end... |
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I get that but the use of the music was very blunt. |
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Blunt, yes. But so was exhuming Harrison Ford's coffin so he could reprise the role of Deckard. I mean if there's any pleasure to be had in watching 2049 you have to accept that it's riffing on the original. Here's why I liked K's death scene, music or not. He just reached his lowest point, where Joi was revealed as even more of a simulation, where the giant advertising Joi also called him Joe. He realizes that his whole life was a lie, images of good food projected on bad, images of his unreal lover projected on a replicant prostitute, and so on. So the one thing about him that's real isn't his. It belongs to Dr. Stelline. And it's a gift of true identity that she gave him, a piece of herself, the memory of a hybrid replicant born like a real person, and he honors her, both her own life and what she represents for the future of replicants, by sacrificing himself bringing Deckard and Stelline together. I think he earned the music. |
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Hardly. |
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Yes well it's nothing compared to Deckard's original motivation, "I want to kill a few more robot slaves and fuck the robot slave girl" |
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I don't care if Deckard's motivation in the original was that he wanted to get home early to watch zero-g sports, all that that music provoked in me was the realisation that I was a watching the far inferior film. |
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Inferior to possibly the greatest movie ever made? You don't say! I'm in agreement that it's not on the same level, but it's nowhere near as far below its predecessor as, say, Phantom Menace is beneath A New Hope or Empire or Return. |
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(oh dear it was a mistake to bring up star wars wasn't it) |
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I think it was the arrogance that annoyed me, the sheer nerve... But no, you're right, it was not the WTF/LOL that was Phantom Menace. I tell you what I did watch recently and didn't think it was too bad (but then I am not one of those guys that'll go so far as to say it's better). 2010. Yes, 2010 The Year We Make Contact. |
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I'm gonna watch 2049 for a second time thanks to your posts Danza. |
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yeah the worst part In the film was ryan gosling dying, as his character wasn't particularly empathetic, his acting was too robotic, the idea with the replicants is that you cant tell they aren't human, Also seems like a forced parallel with Roy Batty's death |
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Toy advert for 6 year olds. Yeah I’m gonna watch this. Dunno why. The latest Mel Gibson film is far superior. |
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Yet the Guardian and co give it maximum stars. It's got my curiosity going and it’s why I made this thread. |
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