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really interesting stuff |
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say hello to your ancestor the |
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I think location greatly affects speed of evolution. Like right on the coast offers creatures 3 very different potential evolutionary pathways- stay on coast, sea, or land. Or a rainforest or coral reef. Probably the most important environmental input for a living thing affecting its fitness.. is all the other living things. So when one thing gets more complex (more sophisticated predator maybe) the fitness criteria for all other living things it affects also becomes more complex. Maybe the burgess shale just happened to be a 'rainforest'y location. Or maybe if genes are legos that can attach 1 other piece, to simplify, maybe another piece evolved that can attach 3 pieces or something, thus making more combinations. |
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melvyn bragg is a badman. i wanna see the carpet with teeth |
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Yeah I think that's definitely true, lifeforms seem to adapt to complexity via random mutation, whatever is an advantageous mutation to the situation is spread, whatever no longer works disappears via environmental changes/predation. Something as simple a small cluster of light detecting cells on your back can mean the difference between life or death. Suddenly detect a shadow blocking the light on your back, move quickly! |
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yeah if I had a time machine its one of the first places id go to see all these weird things |
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I love prehistoric life/paleobiology so I'm really glad to find this. Will check it out when I get home from work! I know what you mean about wanting to go back in time to see what things really looked like (vs. just their impressions left in fossils). It still blows my mind to think that megafauna like dinosaurs or some ice age mammals actually walked the earth... (to say nothing of all the smaller creatures that came about from the Cambrian era) Amazing. |
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yes please listen its really interesting the guests are very knowledgeable in this one. Yeah whats really interesting is how a lot of these animals existed for tens of millions of years but infact represent evolutionary dead ends, they have no decedents, they couldn't adapt fast enough to changes, or were superseded by a more efficient animal. I mean I don't think our fate as a species is any different, on geological times scale we barely exist |
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there are so many lush things to listen to on the Beeb site like that, wish i had the time to get thru em, will check this one out tho.. (there's a REALLY good one on EVP recently, i think it's on the 'Seriously' one...?) How the fuck did DNA come about anyway? Is that evolving too or is it like a runtime thing that doesn't change? I used to just stare at my hands and think about how they came about until I felt quite strange, fun. |
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yeah its very strange if you think about it, we are topologically the same as a nematode worm, a torus shape with a mouth and an anus. What I find freak is how we have fractal fingers bodily symmetry |
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Also, I think i read somewhere that there are occaisonally big leaps that they can't really account for with mutation just pootering along.. that's quite fascinating. |
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hah yeah, and another way to look at human brains is that they evolved as secondary organs to our stomachs in order to get them food! |
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yeah that's what the Cambrian explosion was in essences, just simple life forms and suddenly in a short time scale geological, multitudinous lifeforms sprang forth, what caused it is a matter of great debate |
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you can see that with simpler life forms like sea slugs and sea cucumbers that don't have a brain as such just large ganglions and collections of neurons that enable them to feed and do other actions but not necessarily think |
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It’s not like there’s one God who created everything |
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he must have been on acid during the Cambrian explosion, stuff that looked like living toilet brushes shuffling round on the ocean floor |
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chimps hav betr memry than us just like ai chess is easier than ai face recognition cuz its stupider |
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yeah their short term memory is amazing, ive seen that vid where they do the touch screen stuff with squares |
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go back in time and imprint yer penis in burgess shale |
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and put little legs/eyes on it |
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matter is data. energy is algorithms in time. its a computer program. |
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some of the fossils are that weird it looks like someone's penis grew legs and wandered off |
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they can synthesize rubies, they can probably synthesize apparently old rock imprints. an imprint is just empty space/removal of matter. all u need is old rock/ chisel/ spare time |
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if the end of the universe is the maximum state of entropy, are we just experiencing god's hard drive defragging backwards? |
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Surely we aren't at that's stage where we can synthesise rock with cholesterol molecules in it where a ancient worm had lunch, I think that will happen though good trade in fake fossils |
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bit of ontological discourse for Umbro, I haven't listened to this one yet though |
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an interesting question. maybe the chimps know. |
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yeah that a dead give away that we are living in a simulation, the fact they can do that thing quicker than I can blink my eyes |
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the programmer put in a wrong variable there |
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Have corporations thought of putting little nike shoes on the imprints or have them eating mcdonalds french fries? Nike, doing business since 508 million bc. |
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hope an advertising executive doesn't see your post |
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loooooooool |
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complicated watch gears used to be the best metaphor for whatever the universe is or is doing, now computers. so just like convergent evolution re-invents wings/eyes independently, computer programs maybe re-invent whatever the universe is doing. So i don't get how the universe can calculate so much. if i rotate one thing about another thing in 3d space, i have to program to 'rotate about z to get in the correct z plane, rotate about y to get in the correct y plane, do the desired rotation, unrotate y, unrotate z' (i might have remembered it slightly wrong). But the universe has zillions of planets rotating, not to mention zillions of grains of sand/dirt on each planet, and it's like voxel geometry so it is calculating all the stuff inside the surface of a planet as well, not just external mario 64 surface polygons. Maybe it doesn't do rotation algorithms since that'd lag, or maybe each 'tick' of the program takes zillions of 'years', we just don't feel it because our brains only update on the next program tick. maybe everything merely calculates immediately locally like a cellular automata, even sight is your eyes interacting with immediately local photons. gravity spooky action at a distance is tricky but maybe doing same. or instead of moon rotating around earth, it's just 'moon moves in straight line (object in motion stays)' AND 'tug slightly in straight line to earth as gravity'. So 2 straight lines each tick can simulate rotation for more efficiency. |
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Yeah I think this is one of the most fundamental questions of physics, what is the information density? is there a locality to this sort of thing, i.e. are things only rendered when there is an observer, when there is no obsereve effect is it just in some probabalistic state, Are we thinking in too simplistic terms to describe what is actually going on? |
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Ma6ybe the universe is a demo scene entry. |
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Is-there-a-physical-limit-on-information-density wonder if this guy is legit or just making it up for fun |
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sorry bum link |
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yeah what we perceive at the passage of time could be like a quadrillion operations per pico second on some alien demo scene party |
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I was thinking of the ethics involved in future games, imagine you had a game like sim city full of actualised Artificial intelligences would it be ethical to send in a Godzilla creature to destroy their town for a bit of fun, dare you turn of your computer? would it be ethical to do so? |
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Oh yeah I was going to write but forgot. Like you can get on the ground and see all these complicated insects. a flea even has its own mite parasites, i wonder what is the longest chain of that, i know one whale in a documentary had actual normal crabs as parasites around its eye, maybe those crabs have parasites that have parasites, gets to a single cell soon i guess, a chicken egg is a huge single cell. well maybe the universe simply doesn't compute that stuff unless someone looks at it. then again you can watch a bug move, look away, look back and it didn't pause, it's further along.. but maybe something else was watching it. |
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perhaps it doesn't render you intervening brain waves so you don't notice any discrepancies, I think we are that connected to nature in an intrinsic way we wouldn't notice if nature was fudging the numbers so to speak |
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Why does evil exist? Universe Programmer: Because it's entertaining. |
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I guess the bleak answer would be if everything was rainbows and lollipops 24/7 that would be like living in some Sisyphean purgatory, nothing would be good in a relative sense. well that's one viewpoint, not one I necessarily agree with |
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That's a weird thought, like the bug didn't actually move, my brain was just edited to think it moved.. actually I figured out the most likely scenario, occam's razor or whatever... why update all this complicated reality made of zillions of atoms/quarks calculations etc... when you can instead simply update the mind. Astronomically way more efficient. Only things you observe or think about need to be calculated. Distant planets? They're compressed to vague blurry concepts of any information you're seen or read about them. It's all memes. The universe is just memes in your brain. I'ma call this "w M w's razor". The only other "razor" that exists. Nothing exists until you think about it. Maybe my mind has been tainted with a sickness to make me think about bad thoughts and monsters in order to make them memetically exist. It is the matrix, soipsism, it's the model that makes most sense computationally. |
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yeah have you ever seen a video game that renders things at a distance at low rez but it gets higher when you approach it, I reckon it could be like that |
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