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offline DADONCK from here on 2019-02-03 09:28 [#02568319]
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actress + young paint = in every way a pretty boring, lazy
approach in staying relevant


 

offline DADONCK from here on 2019-02-03 09:30 [#02568320]
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attempt would be the better word, I think. excuse my english


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-03 09:31 [#02568321]
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If you watch this your neural paths will probably change a
bit, thus changing your mind:
LAZY_TITLE


 

online belb from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2019-02-03 09:48 [#02568322]
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so it's generative, but with proprietary code, not something
he's built himself? does sound a bit lazy. i'm listening for
the first time now and it's ok but nothing special


 

offline mermaidman from the pacific ocean on 2019-02-03 11:22 [#02568323]
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why u want your mind changed dadonck


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-02-03 13:08 [#02568331]
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It’s striking how many people can’t be alone with
themselves. That some would rather shock themselves to pass
the time and make it less “painful” doesn’t surprise
me one bit. It does scare me a bit though!


 

offline Tony Danza from Moominvalley on 2019-02-03 14:04 [#02568337]
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I'd like to know more about the supposed technology and how
it's learning his style. Is it getting fed MIDI and doing
simple Markov chain stuff, or analyzing finished tracks? How
is it choosing timbres, from a bank of Actress-y presets, or
is it generating timbres from spectral analysis? How much
editing, mixing and post went into the Young Paint tracks?


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2019-02-03 21:49 [#02568347]
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every sentence you read changes your mind forever
including these two


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2019-02-04 05:50 [#02568359]
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Sounds a bit like Rainer Veil


 

online Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-04 14:49 [#02568374]
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Not as good as my generative music, and that's saying
something.


 

online Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-04 15:13 [#02568375]
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Also some tracks like ai paint seem to have loads of editing
so I'm guessing the generative component on some bits is
"make a hi-hat pattern for me" or "jiggle this sample"
rather than anything grandiose.

I'm guessing his program generates sequences of
triggers/notes and he uses those to traditionally compose a
song.


 

offline mohamed on 2019-02-04 18:29 [#02568382]
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did you change your mind after this thread?


 

offline DADONCK from here on 2019-02-04 19:06 [#02568386]
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i saw this thing live and it pretty much sucked. he stands
there with a little laptop and a keyboard, with some 8k
projection behind him. so video defninitely can't be live
generated. he never before really talked about what he uses.
know he seems to use ai. but its a mystery what he actually
does with it. a boring mystery. so why does he even mention
it? because its a topic. yawn


 

offline DADONCK from here on 2019-02-04 19:09 [#02568387]
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can i hear some somewhere?


 

offline DADONCK from here on 2019-02-04 19:19 [#02568388]
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LAZY_TITLE



 

online Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-05 12:41 [#02568429]
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sure, i've uploaded loads of albums. the ambient stuff is to
sleep/work to, each album has different things done, changes
to the patch or whatever. for example cwtch 5 had the midi
triggers sent over bluetooth to a device at the edge of the
bluetooth range so there's dropped or very slightly delayed
notes while cwtch 2 only has 2 instruments and a kaosspad
per song. the non-ambient stuff is more about making wonky
loops and the generation is more complex. every patch is
made to generate with one click then output is recorded
live. a lot of the amb ient stuff is recorded to tape then
played in to the computer at half speed.

ambient:
a
b
c
d
e
f
g
h

non-ambient:
a
b
c


 

offline Tony Danza from Moominvalley on 2019-02-07 22:03 [#02568589]
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Your stuff is good.

What do you make of algorave guys like Renick Bell and Alex
McClean (guy who created TidalCycles)? RA just did a thing on them


 

offline mermaidman from the pacific ocean on 2019-02-08 08:23 [#02568595]
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one of my favorite algoerz is mark fell of snd shouldn't be
confused with mark bell of lfo

real algoerz kno what's up


 

offline mermaidman from the pacific ocean on 2019-02-08 14:16 [#02568596]
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pertty music


 

offline Tony Danza from Moominvalley on 2019-02-08 15:14 [#02568598]
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I like Mark Fell, he has that multiplied pulse speed trick
that he re-adapts endlessly. It's like the Simpsons episode
where Marge gets a Chanel suit. Marge is fabulous, and Mark
is fabulous.


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-02-08 16:17 [#02568599]
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Yes, Mark Fell.
“Not to be mistaken with Mark Bell”. Newb!


 

online Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-14 10:20 [#02569282]
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I find what they do to be incredibly impressive, it's such
an abstract form of composition and so risky for a live
environment although I might be overthinking how complicated
they are making it for themselves. They have different goals
to me in that they bring the composition process so far to
the front that it is given equal weight to the actual music,
I respect that but think it can diminish the music's worth
in the live environment at times.


 

offline Tony Danza from Moominvalley on 2019-02-14 13:00 [#02569287]
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Yeah that's a diplomatic way of putting it.

This is one of the best examples of TidalCycles
composition that works as music.


 

online Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-14 13:23 [#02569292]
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Yeah I'm enjoying this. Seems like a nice mix between
programmed and traditional composition using the programming
stuff for flavour but not having it be the only element.


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-02-14 13:35 [#02569295]
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Lovely!


 

offline Tony Danza from Moominvalley on 2019-02-14 13:36 [#02569296]
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I checked out his streams, he explains what he does, seems
like all the sequencing is Tidal that he sends to FL Studio
as a synth and effects rack. Also hardware synths. I'm
guessing for this very listenable composed stuff he has big
chunks of code prewritten that he executes on the fly, sort
of like scenes in Ableton.


 

online Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-14 14:09 [#02569306]
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Yeah I think this is where you find that happy medium, and
it's probably something they do in the live stuff too. Have
code snippets which are "gooddrums04" "baselinegenerator"
etc that have degrees of generation but enough fixed
parameters that they're predictable enough to use reliably
and then mix em up and tweak em. That's certainly how I'd do
it.


 


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