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ok thank you |
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thats an old concept of religion, go to a mass held by a black priest or a white one that pretends to be. its some kind of tuning they try to do between the people and the spiritual affair, and some do it well. keep up. as for the conspiracy, you thought you were up on some kind of sign the muslim gangs like to leave on they victims, like three digits scratches on the bodies of the people they round up. |
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And then people like you, you could be a chatbot, maybe part of a government chatbot botnet, there's whole armies to astroturf public opinion. This is based on human psychology to go along with the herd as described by the Asch conformity experiment. |
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I cant be a chatbot can I, I posted a picture of me next to a phone box, unless im a gestalt amalgamation of a rogue google AI, I mean I guess its possible |
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will become impossible to know the difference in the future |
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Well, do you consider yourself a communist? Most of the "communists" are chatbots. By the way, I hope you like apophenia, because if you rent an apartment, and you probably do since it's illegal to live outside of a human farm, and a wall sharing neighbor smokes weed, you have to 2nd hand smoke it. This is essentially chemical warfare, possibly mind control warfare depending on what kind of nanotechnology is in it, so yet another reason landlords are guilty of crimes against humanity. Trump owns houses in every state. I own zero houses because it is economically illegal + law illegal for me to. |
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ive probably got a short life expectancy from second hand smoke and vehicle exhausts |
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where is wavephace? i want a wmw wavephace discussion |
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Repent, motherfuckers! The end is nigh! |
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russelldust when the end happens with your 12793 points are you going to survive it or die like the rest of us mortals |
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if it does 10000 damage to you you’ll be left with 2793 points i’m afraid |
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if the end is 10000 damage that is if 100000 you’ll be no more |
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Terence Mckenna claims current people have worsening schizophrenia. |
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Does the post count of my previous account count, Count Mermaidula? |
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It’s because of a reptilian emitted frequency. |
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no |
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ass wide shit |
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will sniff |
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ampi max I've seen your fate turn aside |
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It's fucking 2019 and Disney brings us... the literal . This is proof that systemic racism is alive and well in America. |
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There is entire cottage industries writing bollocks like this now a black guy on youtube systmatically debunked everything written in that article, because basically he had read the book properly |
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The guy who wrote that article should have mentioned that Frank Herbert wrote the book as a criticism of messianic leadership - it's not quite the blowjob to Paul Atreides that he implies - but the themes he discusses about colonialism are pertinent. Dune is set in the far future, but Herbert wasn’t coy about drawing parallels with earthbound colonial narratives. Paul is a noble duke from a planet with a temperate climate. Though it’s the far future, he’s associated with a European-style noble tradition. Yeah absolutely. Herbert was no dummy. He knew what he was doing. A novel about empires built on a substance extracted from a desert planet with natives who live like bedouin and have lots of Arabic terms in their vocabulary? Come on. If it were any more heavy handed it would be Avatar. Anyways who is the clever fellow who "debunks" the article? |
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oh I found it, I'm not watching that, jesus christ the comments on it gave me brain cancer |
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i'll share the vid now |
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this one? seriously watch it, the guy is left learning he even says so in his intro |
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The guy isn't a social commentator, he is a book fan, guess he cant help the comments for the most part, but youtube is a cesspit of arseholes |
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hyperflake that was awful, I skipped around in it a bit because youtube talkers are always so longwinded and low density and boring, but I guess this is how you monetize performative anger in 2019 a long swath of the article about colonialism and exploitation of the Fremen is screenshotted and pored over, "and actually Frank Herbert would agree with you, you big idiot Berlatsky, you fucking dope, you've recognized and expressed exactly what Herbert was on about! You fuckhead, Berlatsky! fuck you eat my whole ass I am angry on youtube" ok he doesn't actually say that but this is the general tone anyways post literacy is bad and youtube is bad |
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He sounded a little bit angry at times but he didn't resort to too many ad hominem attacks. Anyway regardless of that video, I think the majority of the points the article writer made are false, but I wouldn't get worked up about it like some people. The only point I agree with him is the fascination with orientalism/nativism and colonialism, but I wouldn't hold it against the writer I doubt he condones these things |
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What ive noticed is a tendency for hack writers to slay sacred cows to generate controversy and sensationalism and drive web traffic, I mean yeah fair enough be critical if you wish, but it seemed a very superficial critique of a very good book |
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I think the majority of the points the article writer made are false OK I'm not trying to fight you here but what are a couple of the points he made that are false. I'm just curious what we're disagreeing about here, without my anti-youtube bias getting in the way 🤣 |
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an unbeatable ninja hand to hand fighter - he certainly isn't he is bested/equalled by his own trainer early on in the book, and almost killed by a fremen Jamis when his prescience is caught in a nexus of possible futures |
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a human calculating supercomputer - you could argue either way for this one, I think he is much more capable than the average human, since the butlarian jihad no computers are around to make a comparison to his abilities, I see no super computer like calculations in the book, |
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a genetically engineered male witch with a Voice that must be obeyed yes this is certainly true, but the fact he is male is irrelevant, the sisterhood of the bene gesserit are the ones who teach him the ability, it used in large exclusively by females who perhaps are the most powerful political faction in the known universe |
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a seer with the ability to predict the future, yes this is true although this ability is not flawless there are certain situations where a nexsus/web of possible futures muddy his ability to a great extent rendering it useless, also a guild navigator in the second book has the ability to mask a conspiracy from Paul by convoluting time/possibility in his locality, so he isn't omnipotent |
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a matchless military strategist, I don't see much evidence for this, he is certain competent cos he has been trained by gurney Halleck/Duncan Idaho, but in the book their is no mention that I recall of him being a peerless military strategist |
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the chosen one of multiple interlocking prophecies, it seems like he is the intended Kwisatz Haderach but he isn't, he was born a generation or two too early and didn't fill the political goals of the Bene gesserit, infact he unleashed an unintended holy jihad on the known universe, he definite has a messiah like effect on the Fremen, |
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all of the above. He probably shits gold too while flowers spring up where he walks. Why the hell not? Paul is a character with several flaws, the main one being is that his fantastic psychic abilities put an enormous responsibility/pressure on him to do the right thing, because whatever choice he makes has massive rippling repercussions, that he can see the consequences of, in effect he becomes bound by prophecy and consequently Jihad is unleashed on the universe to the detriment of anyone who isn't a Fremen, Its a bit like Brian in life of Brian I reckon |
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That's one of the central premises of the book, that having fantastic powers and abilities is a poisoned chalice, he is really quite miserable in the subsequent book |
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Also a character who lives 10 billion years in the future and has been genetically bred from various populations of people I don't think can be described as a white Caucasian, although if the author is referring to the film adaptation, which I suspect he is rather than having read the book I understand what he means |
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I have to say the parts about whether he's an utterly perfect ninja prophet seer supercomputer messiah general etc. sound like quibbling... Paul is absolutely intended to be in the mold of the hyper-competent Heinlein superman with a bunch of Jesus, Merlin and Buddha thrown into the mix. How much of this is self aware tongue in cheek on Herbert's part? This was still in an era where the impossibly talented, brave and charismatic Heinlein hero was plausible as non-satire. Now this being a poisoned chalice - good point. I don't think the article gives Herbert enough credit for intent and nuance. Herbert throughout the series is deconstructing the superhero-saviour archetype more than Noah Berlatsky lets on in the article. Then again Dune was written in the late 50s to early 60s and Dune Messiah was published in 1969, and in between publication of the two books American society had flipped 180 degrees. I have to wonder how much that played into the plotting and overall worldview of the sequels. Paul and his milieu of course are presented as white European and the Fremen are Arabs, irrespective of the plausibility of these ethnic groups still being a thing in the far future. This is what we call an anachronism. It's like on Star Trek when they visit a 1930s mobster planet, or a Roman empire planet. It gives the writer something to work with, a theme he can telegraph to the reader without having to completely reinvent and spell everything out. |
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good thread on the subject of ethnicity in Dune, it certainly not as clear cut as the article suggests, but yeah I did see parallels between western colonialism and the various houses that occupy Dune that cant be denied |
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yeah that's my real issue with the article its a superficial critique, it discards and nuance/interpretation and insinuates its about racial superiority or something which isn't the case. I guess the Fremen do come across as the noble savage cliché sometimes |
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Dune, just the first book, is a masterpiece and so full of ideas that you could write several books unpacking them whether you think Herbert is a woke social justice warrior or a complete white supremacist bastard. I don't think any pointed short article could do it justice, or be written in a way that doesn't rile the fan-base. Whether the characters in the book belong to this or that race in a literal sense is missing the point, it's ant-fucking, as the dutch say, like an argument over whether the battery in a TOS phaser is in the main body or the grip of the gun. Herbert obviously wrote it with particular cultures in mind that parallel certain geographically-centred cultures and ethnic groups in the here and now. |
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yes I agree totally with what you said, yes first book is incredible, diminishing returns after that I guess, but I haven't read them all yet |
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dune sequels are great and better than dune; i think herbert originally intended dune + dune messiah + children of dune as book one of a trilogy or somesuch, so yeah he probably knew what he was doing |
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I liked dune messiah, children of dune I found a bit of a slog, but perhaps I wasn't in the right frame of mind |
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in my Dune reboot Paul Atreides is named and he's dumb as shit |
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a guy ritchie movie? what the fuck |
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it's a lie will smith doesn't exist this is all computer graphics |
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