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offline mermaidman from the indian ocean on 2019-02-11 19:37 [#02569058]
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ok thank you


 

offline mohamed on 2019-02-11 19:39 [#02569059]
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thats an old concept of religion, go to a mass held by a
black priest or a white one that pretends to be. its some
kind of tuning they try to do between the people and the
spiritual affair, and some do it well. keep up.

as for the conspiracy, you thought you were up on some kind
of sign the muslim gangs like to leave on they victims, like
three digits scratches on the bodies of the people they
round up.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-11 19:41 [#02569060]
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And then people like you, you could be a chatbot, maybe part
of a government chatbot botnet, there's whole armies to
astroturf public opinion. This is based on human psychology
to go along with the herd as described by the Asch
conformity experiment.
LAZY_TITLE


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-11 19:47 [#02569061]
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I cant be a chatbot can I, I posted a picture of me next to
a phone box, unless im a gestalt amalgamation of a rogue
google AI, I mean I guess its possible


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-11 19:57 [#02569062]
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will become impossible to know the difference in the future


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-11 20:11 [#02569063]
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Well, do you consider yourself a communist? Most of the
"communists" are chatbots.

By the way, I hope you like apophenia, because if you rent
an apartment, and you probably do since it's illegal to live
outside of a human farm, and a wall sharing neighbor smokes
weed, you have to 2nd hand smoke it. This is essentially
chemical warfare, possibly mind control warfare depending on
what kind of nanotechnology is in it, so yet another reason
landlords are guilty of crimes against humanity.
Trump owns houses in every state. I own zero houses because
it is economically illegal + law illegal for me to.


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-11 20:14 [#02569064]
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ive probably got a short life expectancy from second hand
smoke and vehicle exhausts


 

offline mermaidman from the indian ocean on 2019-02-11 20:37 [#02569065]
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where is wavephace? i want a wmw wavephace discussion


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-02-11 20:37 [#02569066]
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Repent, motherfuckers! The end is nigh!


 

offline mermaidman from the indian ocean on 2019-02-11 21:29 [#02569067]
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russelldust when the end happens with your 12793 points are
you going to survive it or die like the rest of us mortals


 

offline mermaidman from the indian ocean on 2019-02-11 21:31 [#02569068]
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if it does 10000 damage to you you’ll be left with 2793
points i’m afraid


 

offline mermaidman from the indian ocean on 2019-02-11 21:33 [#02569069]
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if the end is 10000 damage that is if 100000 you’ll be no
more


 

offline Chodi from 1337V1773 on 2019-02-11 22:30 [#02569070]
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Terence Mckenna claims current people have worsening
schizophrenia.


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-02-11 23:10 [#02569072]
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Does the post count of my previous account count, Count
Mermaidula?


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-02-11 23:11 [#02569073]
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It’s because of a reptilian emitted frequency.


 

offline mermaidman from the indian ocean on 2019-02-11 23:15 [#02569075]
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no


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2019-02-11 23:24 [#02569076]
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ass wide shit


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2019-02-11 23:25 [#02569077]
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will sniff


 

offline Tony Danza from The Way of the Sword on 2019-02-11 23:59 [#02569080]
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ampi max

I've seen your fate

turn aside

before it's too late


 

offline wavephace from Aspiring Moderator on 2019-02-12 01:46 [#02569122]
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It's fucking 2019 and Disney brings us... the literal
Magical Negro. This is proof that systemic racism is alive
and well in America.


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-12 01:52 [#02569125]
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dunes-paul-atreides-is-the-ultimate-mighty-whitey

There is entire cottage industries writing bollocks like
this now

a black guy on youtube systmatically debunked everything
written in that article, because basically he had read the
book properly



 

offline Tony Danza from The Way of the Sword on 2019-02-12 02:32 [#02569149]
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The guy who wrote that article should have mentioned that
Frank Herbert wrote the book as a criticism of messianic
leadership - it's not quite the blowjob to Paul Atreides
that he implies - but the themes he discusses about
colonialism are pertinent.

Dune is set in the far future, but Herbert wasn’t coy
about drawing parallels with earthbound colonial narratives.
Paul is a noble duke from a planet with a temperate climate.
Though it’s the far future, he’s associated with a
European-style noble tradition.


Yeah absolutely. Herbert was no dummy. He knew what he was
doing. A novel about empires built on a substance extracted
from a desert planet with natives who live like bedouin and
have lots of Arabic terms in their vocabulary? Come on. If
it were any more heavy handed it would be Avatar.

Anyways who is the clever fellow who "debunks" the article?


 

offline Tony Danza from The Way of the Sword on 2019-02-12 02:37 [#02569151]
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oh I found it, I'm not watching that, jesus christ the
comments on it gave me brain cancer


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-12 02:37 [#02569152]
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i'll share the vid now


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-12 02:38 [#02569153]
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LAZY_TITLE

this one?

seriously watch it, the guy is left learning he even says so
in his intro


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-12 02:42 [#02569154]
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The guy isn't a social commentator, he is a book fan, guess
he cant help the comments for the most part, but youtube is
a cesspit of arseholes


 

offline Tony Danza from The Way of the Sword on 2019-02-12 15:34 [#02569181]
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hyperflake that was awful, I skipped around in it a bit
because youtube talkers are always so longwinded and low
density and boring, but I guess this is how you monetize
performative anger in 2019

a long swath of the article about colonialism and
exploitation of the Fremen is screenshotted and pored over,
"and actually Frank Herbert would agree with you, you big
idiot Berlatsky, you fucking dope, you've recognized and
expressed exactly what Herbert was on about! You fuckhead,
Berlatsky! fuck you eat my whole ass I am angry on youtube"
ok he doesn't actually say that but this is the general
tone

anyways post literacy is bad and youtube is bad


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-12 16:16 [#02569182]
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He sounded a little bit angry at times but he didn't resort
to too many ad hominem attacks. Anyway regardless of that
video, I think the majority of the points the article writer
made are false, but I wouldn't get worked up about it like
some people. The only point I agree with him is the
fascination with orientalism/nativism and colonialism, but I
wouldn't hold it against the writer I doubt he condones
these things


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-12 16:19 [#02569183]
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What ive noticed is a tendency for hack writers to slay
sacred cows to generate controversy and sensationalism and
drive web traffic, I mean yeah fair enough be critical if
you wish, but it seemed a very superficial critique of a
very good book


 

offline Tony Danza from The Way of the Sword on 2019-02-13 13:28 [#02569218]
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I think the majority of the points the article writer
made are false


OK I'm not trying to fight you here but what are a couple of
the points he made that are false. I'm just curious what
we're disagreeing about here, without my anti-youtube bias
getting in the way 🤣


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-13 13:34 [#02569220]
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an unbeatable ninja hand to hand fighter - he certainly
isn't he is bested/equalled by his own trainer early on in
the book, and almost killed by a fremen Jamis when his
prescience is caught in a nexus of possible futures


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-13 13:36 [#02569222]
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a human calculating supercomputer - you could argue either
way for this one, I think he is much more capable than the
average human, since the butlarian jihad no computers are
around to make a comparison to his abilities, I see no super
computer like calculations in the book,


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-13 13:38 [#02569223]
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a genetically engineered male witch with a Voice that must
be obeyed

yes this is certainly true, but the fact he is male is
irrelevant, the sisterhood of the bene gesserit are the ones
who teach him the ability, it used in large exclusively by
females who perhaps are the most powerful political faction
in the known universe


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-13 13:40 [#02569224]
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a seer with the ability to predict the future, yes this is
true although this ability is not flawless there are certain
situations where a nexsus/web of possible futures muddy his
ability to a great extent rendering it useless, also a guild
navigator in the second book has the ability to mask a
conspiracy from Paul by convoluting time/possibility in his
locality, so he isn't omnipotent


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-13 13:41 [#02569225]
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a matchless military strategist, I don't see much evidence
for this, he is certain competent cos he has been trained by
gurney Halleck/Duncan Idaho, but in the book their is no
mention that I recall of him being a peerless military
strategist


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-13 13:44 [#02569226]
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the chosen one of multiple interlocking prophecies, it seems
like he is the intended Kwisatz Haderach but he isn't, he
was born a generation or two too early and didn't fill the
political goals of the Bene gesserit, infact he unleashed an
unintended holy jihad on the known universe, he definite has
a messiah like effect on the Fremen,


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-13 13:46 [#02569227]
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all of the above. He probably shits gold too while flowers
spring up where he walks. Why the hell not?

Paul is a character with several flaws, the main one being
is that his fantastic psychic abilities put an enormous
responsibility/pressure on him to do the right thing,
because whatever choice he makes has massive rippling
repercussions, that he can see the consequences of, in
effect he becomes bound by prophecy and consequently Jihad
is unleashed on the universe to the detriment of anyone who
isn't a Fremen, Its a bit like Brian in life of Brian I
reckon


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-13 13:48 [#02569228]
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That's one of the central premises of the book, that having
fantastic powers and abilities is a poisoned chalice, he is
really quite miserable in the subsequent book


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-13 13:57 [#02569229]
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Also a character who lives 10 billion years in the future
and has been genetically bred from various populations of
people I don't think can be described as a white Caucasian,
although if the author is referring to the film adaptation,
which I suspect he is rather than having read the book I
understand what he means


 

offline Tony Danza from The Way of the Sword on 2019-02-13 14:52 [#02569232]
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I have to say the parts about whether he's an utterly
perfect ninja prophet seer supercomputer messiah general
etc. sound like quibbling... Paul is absolutely intended to
be in the mold of the hyper-competent Heinlein superman with
a bunch of Jesus, Merlin and Buddha thrown into the mix. How
much of this is self aware tongue in cheek on Herbert's
part? This was still in an era where the impossibly
talented, brave and charismatic Heinlein hero was plausible
as non-satire.

Now this being a poisoned chalice - good point. I don't
think the article gives Herbert enough credit for intent and
nuance. Herbert throughout the series is deconstructing the
superhero-saviour archetype more than Noah Berlatsky lets on
in the article. Then again Dune was written in the late 50s
to early 60s and Dune Messiah was published in 1969, and in
between publication of the two books American society had
flipped 180 degrees. I have to wonder how much that played
into the plotting and overall worldview of the sequels.

Paul and his milieu of course are presented as white
European and the Fremen are Arabs, irrespective of the
plausibility of these ethnic groups still being a thing in
the far future. This is what we call an anachronism. It's
like on Star Trek when they visit a 1930s mobster planet, or
a Roman empire planet. It gives the writer something to work
with, a theme he can telegraph to the reader without having
to completely reinvent and spell everything out.


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-13 15:12 [#02569236]
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LAZY_TITLE

good thread on the subject of ethnicity in Dune, it
certainly not as clear cut as the article suggests, but yeah
I did see parallels between western colonialism and the
various houses that occupy Dune that cant be denied


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-13 15:15 [#02569237]
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yeah that's my real issue with the article its a superficial
critique, it discards and nuance/interpretation and
insinuates its about racial superiority or something which
isn't the case. I guess the Fremen do come across as the
noble savage cliché sometimes


 

offline Tony Danza from The Way of the Sword on 2019-02-13 15:26 [#02569239]
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Dune, just the first book, is a masterpiece and so full of
ideas that you could write several books unpacking them
whether you think Herbert is a woke social justice warrior
or a complete white supremacist bastard. I don't think any
pointed short article could do it justice, or be written in
a way that doesn't rile the fan-base.

Whether the characters in the book belong to this or that
race in a literal sense is missing the point, it's
ant-fucking, as the dutch say, like an argument over whether
the battery in a TOS phaser is in the main body or the grip
of the gun. Herbert obviously wrote it with particular
cultures in mind that parallel certain
geographically-centred cultures and ethnic groups in the
here and now.


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-13 16:30 [#02569249]
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yes I agree totally with what you said, yes first book is
incredible, diminishing returns after that I guess, but I
haven't read them all yet


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-02-13 16:38 [#02569250]
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dune sequels are great and better than dune; i think herbert
originally intended dune + dune messiah + children of dune
as book one of a trilogy or somesuch, so yeah he probably
knew what he was doing


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-13 16:42 [#02569252]
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I liked dune messiah, children of dune I found a bit of a
slog, but perhaps I wasn't in the right frame of mind


 

offline Tony Danza from The Way of the Sword on 2019-02-13 20:57 [#02569270]
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in my Dune reboot Paul Atreides is named Paul Bremer and
he's dumb as shit



 

offline mermaidman from the indian ocean on 2019-02-16 23:19 [#02569473]
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a guy ritchie movie? what the fuck


 

offline Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-17 11:40 [#02569516]
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