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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-10-29 00:08 [#02563710]
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So they just elected this ultra right with fascist guy who explicitly said he will take people for one way helicopter rides like Pinochet, I understand they have had a feckless corrupt government for a while but this is like punching yourself in the face after breaking a tea cup
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-10-29 00:09 [#02563711]
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Seems like the cycles of history are doomed to repeat themselves, we just have to many thickos im afraid
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RussellDust
on 2018-10-29 09:13 [#02563715]
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I have a Brazilian friend who seems over the moon. When you think you know someone...
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-10-29 10:58 [#02563719]
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they must be naïve as fuck,
LAZY_TITLE
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wavephace
from off the chain on 2018-10-29 11:40 [#02563720]
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I think it's Time for the UN to Step In and Stop Bolsonaro. What the Fuck is UN for if not Situations like this? This is not a Legitimate Election. This Is Fascism!
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2018-10-29 11:54 [#02563721]
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a maga chud's idea of disneyland
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2018-10-29 11:55 [#02563722]
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oh hehe I didn't click hypies link 😅
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-10-29 12:07 [#02563723]
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its legit, just a totally bonkers choice
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2018-10-29 12:15 [#02563724]
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It's just the saaaame fucking thing over and over. Neoliberalism delivers enormously unequal outcomes, the vast majority of people's actual material circumstances are not improved despite a lot of nice rhetoric, and enough people turn to nationalist fascism out of anger and desperation for... a nationalist fascist to step in.
I mean, he's not going to improve things either, but it doesn't matter at that point. He's an effective channel for people's rage, and he satisfies that criterion admirably.
All he has to do is dehumanize and subjugate scapegoats, often the same ones neoliberalism was paying lip service to. Wealth can continue to flow upwards - at an accelerated rate, even - which is not a bug but a feature; more dissatisfaction means more anger which can be channelled usefully.
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-10-29 12:21 [#02563725]
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yeah an eternal clusterfuck, neo liberalism allows these opportunists to step in and promise the earth, the environment is ripe for this sort of regressive backlash
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-10-29 12:23 [#02563726]
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democracy has a fatal flaw in that people tend to vote against their own direct interests because of manipulation in the information age. I particularly dislike this guy because he said he is going to deforest the amazon rainforest, he is one of those religious fundamentalists that believe god gives us a infinite bounty and it will be replenished by his whim.
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2018-10-29 12:37 [#02563727]
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"people tend to vote against their own direct interests because of manipulation in the information age"
Well, that's part of it recently but a small part of it IMO. Populist strongmen have come to power without Facetube gaming people's feeds for a long time before now.
The author of Age of Anger on why modern society is ill-equipped to handle populist rage: LAZY_TITLE
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-10-29 12:39 [#02563728]
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thanks for the links going to have a listen now
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2018-10-29 13:41 [#02563731]
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twitter moments stuff
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-10-29 15:06 [#02563738]
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new meme
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2018-10-29 15:10 [#02563740]
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horrible, as it was intented to be
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2018-10-29 18:18 [#02563773]
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is he an anti-semite or pro-israel?
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-10-29 18:33 [#02563776]
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ardently pro Israel apparently
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2018-10-29 19:43 [#02563784]
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He's evangelical so he's probably that weird blend of antisemitic conspiracy theory and pro-Zionism you find in bonkers Christians - only supports Israel so it can fulfill prophecy and be destroyed when Jesus returns. A lot of American Republicans are like that.
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2018-10-29 20:10 [#02563785]
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That's to be expected. IMO Judaism is the true religion, so I feel sorry for those Christians and their confusions. Have you ever seen photographs of the Supreme Court of Israel? There's a section with a cross that you have to walk over to progress. Trampled cross, trampled on Christianity, meaning that Jewish law will triumph over the teachings of Jesus Christ.
I voted for Labour but I support some British conservatives too as I much prefer our system to fascism. Shutting down museums and university leftists is OTT and lame. I see the advantages Britain has or had were an adversarial parliament, magna carta, habeus corpus, jury trial, presumption of innocence, Merchant Navy, the Royal Navy, our monarchy (which keeps things politically stable). If we lose these things we will be Britain in name only. I could imagine a leftist seeing these things as fascist, racist, hateful, etc.
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RussellDust
on 2018-10-29 21:34 [#02563788]
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you’re obviously confused, and have read little to no religious scripture. This was clear to me from the moment you said you were going to Hell, and decided to obsess on that.
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2018-10-29 21:52 [#02563790]
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Yes, leftists demand absolute power for kings and cops, which is why we hate the magna carta and habeas corpus.
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2018-10-29 21:58 [#02563791]
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rd: we all learned the bible stories in school innit. noah building the ark, moses parting the sea, david beating goliath, etc. im not so familiar with the writings of the prophets or the psalms.
fm: i mean the EU was wiping this stuff out. leftists support EU membership, which goes against everything in my little list.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2ayk-11cKI
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RussellDust
on 2018-10-29 22:08 [#02563792]
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What you learnt of the bible at that time is all BS.
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2018-10-29 22:21 [#02563793]
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I don't know about you but I think the Old Testament is literally true.
The New Testament is like a historical document of the times Jesus Christ lived in. Jesus was tried under Jewish law and found to have committed some crime or other, so they had him tortured by the Romans legally under Roman law
The New Testament was kind of suspicious to me because of its brevity when compared with the Old Testament.
Here's a part of the bible that sticks in my mind. It describes torture against the enemies of King David and the Israelites.
https://biblehub.com/commentaries/2_samuel/12-31.htm
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2018-10-29 22:29 [#02563794]
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yeah they made me pledge allegiance to the King of Europe when I got my leftist membership card
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mermaidman
on 2018-10-29 22:46 [#02563795]
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why are you not reading the bible umbroman? the bible was sent down by god almighty himself so that you read it
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mermaidman
on 2018-10-29 22:50 [#02563796]
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you can't be a jew and a christian at the same time by the way you have to choose one. if you choose the wrong one you know what's going to happen
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-10-30 01:24 [#02563798]
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in mind the bible is a quasi historical/mythological document made by a bronze age people who were desperately trying to understand a savage world were illness, death and starvation were realities of their every waking moment. apart from cultural value, historical intrigue it has no real meaning for me. just as alchemy was superseded by chemistry, astrology by astronomy, so has a believe in the supernatural been supplanted by rational thought, as we have the luxury of being able to consider stuff in the light of empirical observation. If I lived back then id probably just be as miffed as anyone else what lightning was, the anger of a vengeful god no doubt.
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-10-30 01:32 [#02563799]
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as much as Dawkins can be a bit smug about his position I do agree with him that its all culturally relative, just by the fact you were born in western Europe precludes the fact that you don't believe in the great juju up the mountain. You don't believe in Thor or Zeus I imagine, so we all have experience in being atheists, whats so unique about a pre historic levant that makes people more susceptible in believing in the story of Christ, for me its purely a cultural phenomena rather than anything inherent in the text, although I guess a lot of people like Jesus and his parables. I think the old testament has a multitude of precursor sources as well from ancient Mesopotamia and Egypt, in fact its an amalgamation of older stories and religions compiled to suit.
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mermaidman
on 2018-10-30 10:11 [#02563801]
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hyperflake in light of that nonsense you posted there is no way you're going to heaven i'll tell you that much
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mermaidman
on 2018-10-30 10:13 [#02563802]
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you better change your ways in an instant
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2018-10-30 10:51 [#02563806]
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hypies, science and reason are only possible because God is Real
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-10-30 11:08 [#02563807]
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If god exist im sure in his infinite generosity he wont really be bothered by the fact I came to the wrong conclusion
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2018-10-30 11:47 [#02563808]
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If God truly is the foundation of the order and being of the cosmos, perhaps you can find that truth for yourself in the light of God's reason and avoid Damnation.
So ask yourself, without God, how are science and reason possible?
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2018-10-30 12:24 [#02563809]
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(I'm just fuckin' witchoo, don't take me seriously plz)
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-10-30 12:38 [#02563810]
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i know its a clumsy analogy but i think of it like this. The origins of the universe are truly current unknowable and strange without the added complexity of such an unprovable idea such as a supreme being, being the catalyst of the event. If i had a vacuum cleaner that exploded in an unexplained manner because i didn't understand the mechanism behind the event, it would be strange of me to say an Angel was the cause. and therefore all vacuum cleaner failures are caused by a super natural event, its faulty logic to my mind.
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-10-30 12:40 [#02563811]
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i was 90% sure you were on the wind up but thought id try proper reply!
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-10-30 12:43 [#02563812]
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I don't know maybe i am to much of a materialist, perhaps there are things that go beyond logic and thought i really don't know, the only think I do know is that organized religion seems like an anachronistic practice that has been used to brow beat everyone for the last 2000 years
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-10-30 12:44 [#02563813]
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and pricks like that Bolsonaro are still using as a cudgel now
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mermaidman
on 2018-10-30 13:29 [#02563814]
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yeah jokes aside and i know nobody is asking but it is not healthy if your religion is negatively affecting your psychology. au contraire the perk about religion is that you believe some force is protecting you and your loved ones if you live by the book and that's VERY powerful. that's the only reason why i sometimes wish i believed in some god
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2018-10-30 14:12 [#02563815]
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you only believe in one god, mohamed, your god.
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mermaidman
on 2018-10-30 14:25 [#02563817]
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it's true my god likes it in the bum
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-10-30 14:43 [#02563818]
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the thing I worry about, if you have infinite intellect and power and no one on the same level as you to keep you company or have a chat, wouldn't you go insane pretty quickly, or does god give himself selective amnesia to pass the time
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-10-30 14:56 [#02563820]
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the big bang was like an ejaculatory event perhaps we are all inside a cosmic sized rectum
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2018-10-30 15:04 [#02563821]
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i reckon you're making new friends as the days pass by around here, keep at it, n.1 classic Juda roping himself
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mermaidman
on 2018-10-30 15:09 [#02563822]
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lol who? what
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-10-30 15:22 [#02563823]
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LAZY_TITLE
this was what we had to do back in the 80s
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-10-30 15:25 [#02563824]
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LAZY_TITLE
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2018-10-30 15:26 [#02563825]
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lol i wonder what grunts the turkshit was singing that age.. maybe forced to learn koran verses by heart
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