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haha Jocky!! |
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i think? |
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its good when they start chanting voodoo ray |
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yeah its such a futuristic song, I have a bit of cognitive dissonance when Its set to that footage as it sounds about 3 decades newer |
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but not with a brass band lol. |
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haha recognised in two notes. |
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lovely, like an acoustic bubble bath |
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imagine travelling back in time and messing up the time continuum by leaving the music notes of acid brass band in Victorian times, and 808 state was being played at the changing of the guard and proms in the present |
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we'd lose allot of music ....no records made would ever exist. but we'd gain lots too. |
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sending jimi Hendrix back to ancient Egypt would be analogous to an alien landing |
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if we go back ....we have to take everything back |
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yeah you mean put all your hoola hoop packets in liquid nitrogen containers |
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our music might be like baby talk at this moment in time even the true greats might just be touching the surface. give it 100 years when super computers get more involved we might start talking in new ways in music? |
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if you went back to protozoic earth and left one of your toe nail clippings in the primordial soup, perhaps the earth would eventually be dominated by toe people, all other life forms extinct |
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lol , i mean all recorded music ....otherwise we lose it due to cause and effect. |
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music might be the next currency, |
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I think currency might die out like in star trek, and ideas or something will become the new currency, after all when everything is created by AI and robots in some sort of space communism and we have a surplus of things in the far future what will be worth anything anyway |
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I think we will end up as creatures of pure thought and when that becomes obsolete pure emotion or perhaps just turn into a new physical law |
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isn't it weird how on large scales the universe resembles a collection of neurons |
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funnily i was thinking of this on my bike today, when kids stop speaking english and talk in c++ and then get computerised ...as soon as that happens and they just talk and sense in 0's and 1's ...whats lifes worth when anything is possible in the pc. then i stopped thinking, i think i had to go through a t junction. |
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but can you properly sense in 0's and 1's ? or do you need a little bit of orgainc matter to sense pain? |
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theres no point unless you can feel...otherwise you become like rimmer. hardlight: i think he was given a little bit of sensory flesh in his light bee. |
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yeah I suppose it becomes obsolete when you get to that stage, |
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pain does have an important function, its like a desperate alarm that something is wrong, so in the future it might be a disadvantage for machines not to experience pain in such a dangerous universe |
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thats the difference tho, machines are logical. if they are programmed to avoid, they will avoid, a human might have look and take a peek. |
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yeah the difference I think is that pain gives a massive imperative, I don't know if its different than setting a variable to maximum to avoid, pain sort of breaks the logic, its so extreme its beyond 100% in a way |
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animals need pain without it we would never have got out the pond. |
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you could think that the other way around. to rescue a child people jump through fire or climb up burning stair cases. a machine at 100 percent is like infinite pain and there is no illogic. that's why terminator could not be reasoned with at all. |
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yeah that's true, you've got me there, your being very logical today, like doctor spock |
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A machine with organic pain IC linked to godly values software. Could the machine be as soulful as a human? Do we think we are so special just because we feel pain? |
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its naïve to think we are special in any particular way, we obey the laws of nature just like anything else, I was thinking this because I watched the episode of star trek where data creates his own daughter |
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fanx. lol long way to go till mastermind i feel. |
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yeah ...but we say we have a soul ...is it just because we can feel? is that it? |
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could i make my toaster feel? so if it burns my toast one more time it gets an 80 year dream of living on Earth as a human with all the ups and downs we go through till old age and death. ( in a split second using worm hole tech) then when it reincarnates back into toastie, it can try again not to burn my toast else its back to earth. i might just be a toaster living this nightmare on earth. |
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that spark of consciousness, its very hard to define, I suppose its the ability to be creative and think and feel in a none linear way, but any attempt to categorise it feels inadequate and very unsatisfactory, its like a experience rather than a blue print to analyse |
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I have a similar though that we are existing on main different realities and timelines simultaneously, like a dot on the surface of a balloon, is equidistant from any other point on the surface |
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or just play a long playlist of videos to the toaster ...like documentaries on chem trails, plastic pollution, deforestation, undercover slaughter house tv, with compassion set to 100 percent. surly then mr toaster will not burn the toast. but again i forget, setting to 100 percent in the software ....there is no playlist that can compare. so i think digital software is more trustworthy than human feeling and illogic but can be hacked and altered in the blink of a eye. |
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ahh welcome to the forum again Prof Flakes. lol |
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great scene in dune |
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although they are making mistakes, falling over, it is not from 100 percent of doing its best. Machines always give 100 percent to follow the program. it's the humans that mess up with latency and wiring and interference and all those many issues that can go wrong. so adding pain to a machine when the software and hardware is not up to scratch would actually be hardcore abuse and pointless. a machine is always doing its job 100 percent even when running idle. |
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*appear they are making mistakes |
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A machine wont get up any quicker with a painful voltage to an organic IC. |
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yes that's true, I don't think you could make a machine understand humans without pain, but perhaps that's for the best, empathy comes from experiencing pain yourself I think or partly does |
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this is all getting rather metaphysical I must say! yeah pain would unnecessarily burden it purely from an efficiency point of view, I wouldn't want machines to experience it, I think it would be ethically wicked to burden the ability to feel pain on something, perhaps sentience to machines is morally wrong |
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going for a lie down now |
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Pain is great. Just not when it gets too high voltage lol ; ) maybe we could make devices that do not have to work for us but are purely designed to live amazing lives. They could just be a box, but inside is the most incredible VR world where the entity lives. you can buy one or adopt .. and it just sits on your table top. just a box. no noise no monitor just a monolith type box. but inside the entity is going on roller coaster rides and playing at rock concerts, designing planets,..nothing but pure pleasure, a perfect happy life. but you get just a box and maybe a certificate. The reverse of how we treat devices today. : ) |
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