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*spinoff trilogy |
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you wandered away from "At the moment 75 percent of the people in visual effects are men and that’s unacceptable,." |
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Also I'm not sure what your problem with the 75% quote is. It's from someone who works at ILM, obviously has a lot of knowledge of their specialist industry and feels that women are underrepresented corresponding to their talent. Are you saying your experience trumps his? I'd personally say he probably knows better than I do. |
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the quote is "At the moment 75 percent of the people in visual effects are men and that’s unacceptable," special effects is visual effects |
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Don't chat bullshit, you're whole shtick is spouting half quotes and then dodging having to defend them. |
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if there are women with greater talent, then yes! |
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So? |
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i have repeatedly. |
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So what are you even talking about? Why bring it up? You use a half quote from Kennedy twisted with your own false assumptions and this quote from someone who knows more than you to make what point exactly? |
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the force is not female that is what this thread is about, and forcing talent out of work to meet a diversity quoter is not healthy be the talent male or female. equality does not have to mean percentages. |
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Ok so as I previously asked and you ignored: you do understand they're using a slogan to promote the diversity of their team and not canonically rendering the force right? And can you point to an example of forcing talent out of work which has prompted this hand wringing? I still fail to see what you're getting upset about other than a fear which you yourself have fabricated with selective reading? |
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I already answered this i did not ignore, maybe read my posts. |
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Sorry my eyesight must be failing, can you link the post where you answered me without using non sequiter drivel that dodged the question? |
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i said she could say along the lines: The force is genderless not the force is female!! becuase it is not. what do you not understand by this !?!?! |
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I guess I don't understand why wearing those t-shirts to a single event six months ago has prompted you to go on this tirade of self induced fear that men will be ousted from their jobs in favour of less talented women? |
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"I have a responsibility to the company that I work with. I don’t feel that I have a responsibility to cater in some way. I would never just seize on saying, 'Well, this is a franchise that’s appealed primarily to men for many, many years, and therefore I owe men something.'" K Kennedy |
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I did not associate the tshirts with employment quotas and talent. The force is all living things. Gender should not be an issue. |
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I was thinking that the one thing that could save the Star Wars series for me now would be if, toward the end of the next one, the rebellion were getting trounced by New Order, or Joy Division, or Snookums, OR WHOEVER, and that the game was up, they were definitely going to be crushed. But then Luke, Yoda and Ben (hell, even original Annakin) come back and reset the timeline and we see our heroes just before their entrances in the original; so Luke maybe buzzing in his T-16 Skyhopper on tattoine, Han and Chewie walking into the cantina, Obi Wan... watering his garden, Leia recording the hologram... and then we get the originals living on eternally, and the now timeline can go off into it's blue armpit hair, gender as a social construct, joyless fucking future. |
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Star Wars is dead guys Crazy Kathleen Kennedy fails to remember that Leia was a badass, ESB was written largely by a woman and ANH was rescued in editing by a woman Rose sucked, Holdo sucked, Rey sucks and Luke died guys |
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interesting idea sirlol yes, it was Leigh Bracket who wrote The Empire Strikes Back....but she tragically died before it's release. : ( |
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yes good summation really |
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I want the empire to turn up in huge pink coloured phallic shaped new class of star destroyers, Jordan Peterson the new emperor and all the storm troopers wear leather chaps and huge black shiny codpieces |
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Before anyone had replied to this thread you used your selective quoting to wander off in to claiming Kennedy will hire a female director regardless of skill. That's rather strong association, you evidently feel they're related issues unprompted. Why didn't you post the whole quote btw? |
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You assume too much, I did not personally edit any quote. can you show your source that would be helpful. is this a full quote? or is it missing context? "I have a responsibility to the company that I work with. I don’t feel that I have a responsibility to cater in some way. I would never just seize on saying, 'Well, this is a franchise that’s appealed primarily to men for many, many years, and therefore I owe men something.'" K Kennedy |
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I copy and pasted the quote in to google and went to the source article instead of reading the abridged version on some meme image about women ruining star wars. As someone who insists on decrying how the media represents information to us it's amazing how that seems like fact checking is too much effort when it panders to your sensibilities. I know the context of the second quote, do you? |
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Actually this is a waste of time. I actually agree with you on the general thrust of your argument but the way you present yourself is dishonest and pushes an agenda in a nefarious way. Typical conspiracy theorist tactics. |
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I am not the one out in main stream stating: "At the moment 75 percent of the people in visual effects are men and that’s unacceptable," This is a great weakness. Lucasfilm should look at a portfolio and hire based on the talent. not what sexual organs the artist has. if they start on gender, what next? imagine when lucasfilm finds out there are no Scottish or Welsh or Indians in say the creature work shop? Will they state that is unacceptable too? Why not? Strong characters, the best of graphic artists, directors and story writers should be hired if possible, looking to see what their gender is should not be important unless they specifically need a male or female. "The force is female" That is divisive. The force is created by all living things, trees, squirrels humans male and female and anything in between. Every living thing. It doesn’t seem disney/ lucasfilm feel this way, does it.? |
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Now accepting applications for 2018-19's Anal Academy. |
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It is. I do think freqy means well, but I tried having similar conversations and ultimately realised there was no point. Freqy is here to open our eyes, not to change their mind! |
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the force is dog shit. |
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Someone else truncated that one quote. it did not seem right, it was not intentional and not dishonest and certainly not pushing an "agenda" with "typical conspiracy theorist tactics". I had said this but it was apparently ignored as evidence in this xlt court case. As regards new star wars, Rogue 1 was great. I was amazed at what they did, it may have been mainly female or male in the production? It doesn't matter, it has nothing to do with gender. it was a great film. There was only one main issue in that movie, that was the other lead role who mumbled, but this gets better each viewing. |
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ok i give you that i liked rogue 1 but the others suck shit |
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It's even better on the second and third viewing. I was struggling initially with Cassian Andors voice (had to google his name, the names are not too memorable) I think it has the best effects/ production of all the movies, so far. |
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i think effects wise the movies are fine but the story for all the new ones really suck so far. just meh imo. Rogue one was alright though |
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We still have the originals! : ) |
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It’s sooooo the norm to cricise the new ones, except Rogue One. I’m happy to say I enjoyed them both. I had a good time at the cinema, and had little expectations. SW shaped my childhood in the eighties, but I don’t feel any sense of entitlement. Anyway people will forever complain. It’s not SW enough, it’s too much like SW, it’s too childish, it’s too serious etc... it’s like people have forgotten the fucking prequels. Also, not having a go at anyone here, but in general I’ve come to notice that people really get off having negative opinions. This is new, and it’s a detestable trait. There used to be a time where you’d forget about a bad movie, but nowadays it’s a chance to appear smart. A while ago it used to be to seem different and edgy as well, but now the whole herd is at it. Often being mean in the process is the norm. “Look I have an opinion!”, yeah you should be the one making movies, or should work in journalism. Also people forget movies are made by fellow human beings, who crap, masturbate, and have anxieties just like the next arson. It seems like being an arsehole after seeing their work is allowed. Again, this is not directed at jalton. Bah, I’ll stop ranting. |
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If I reviewed some of our member’s tracks that I didn’t like the way they review films, with a sense of entitlement and a hint of nastiness, I reckon that not only the person who made the effort to make the tracks would be offended (or hurt), but that the whole board would be outraged. Luckily most artists who can live off their work learn to take it, but trust me it, it can still hurt. Again, not directed at jalton. Your opinion was just that: your opinion. You weren’t getting off of it. Because that’s the thing, it’s perfectly ok to negatively review something, censorship is an atrocity I don’t condone. I’m just noticing a horrible trend at the moment, and this is just a part of it. Ok soz for the blocks! |
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lol Russel you need to chill, i didn't like the new films, i guess i am SOOOOOOOO norm lol, now go review my tracks and tell me how shitty they are lol |
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I hope no member of my family ever reads this thread |
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If I hate something ( I hated Last Jedi, I mean, really. I don't go around thinking about it and getting cross, I don't think about it at all unless I am reminded by some piece of relentless marketing, an article, or a thread like this on the one message board I visit) I like to hear other peoples' opinions to help my understand why I hate it. I don't need to be told to hate it, nor do I feel obliged to hate it. I just genuinely hated it. I get what you're saying though, and I don't know if it's everyone trying (and failing) to be Mr Pinkerton (those guys are very smart and funny) ... but I get tired with the attempts on both sides to, in a sense, weaponise (to use one of the overused words of the day) these films into either flag waving progressive virtue signalling, or using them to prove the degeneracy and soy-weak results of liberalism. But what the hell, it's all worth it because we got a dumpy Vietnamese bird wearing a boiler suit in the film who, according to the Guardian's , was "a scene-stealer". Inspiring a new generation to balance being overweight and vegan whilst being sanctimonious and officious. Pretty much every millennial, then. |
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I'm going to go and see Soylo early this afternoon, along with Ms LOL as she likes the new ones. I will report back. I am *hoping*, with my absurdly low expectations, to come away kind of liking it. I might do. From the trailer that big train/monorail looks a bit Iain M Banks-y to me, large ancient train... imagine Banks had scripted a Star Wars... he'd have done all the gender-fluidity and different races thing effortlessly, not this fucking .... Screenplay generated by Twitter Trends... dog shit. Gee, can't wait to see Han get his ass whooped by a sassy woman who may or may not be queer... NO LOL NO THAT'S THE WRONG ATTITUDE, GO IN WITH AN OPEN MIND ... *deep breath* I Am One With the Force and the Force Is With Me. I Am One With the Force and the Force Is With Me. I Am One With the Force and the Force Is With Me... |
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I guess stating two or three times that my post wasn’t directed at you failed. Whatever. I really don’t care about what you think. I’m taking generally here. |
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That bit where they went to a planet of the casino giraffe horses felt tacked on |
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has anyone seen solo yet? |
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Touchy little fucker aren’t you? :D Shame you only crossread my text, which had nothing to do with you. Link to your tracks? |
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And while I’m here: hating on the new SW movies is, and has been the norm. I don’t know where you’ve been, jalton. Ah yes in Japan, taking things personally. |
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has anyone ever played the DOS game Xwing/tiefighter I have the collectors CD rom edition, its one of the extended universe things that I really cherish, great plot good gameplay, borrowed my brothers joystick so I could have a game over this summer |
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Oh yeah I rem that. I had a fighter game for the PS2 I really loved. Forgot what it was called. |
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a space one? |
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