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first film was the only decent one |
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first film is deffo far and away the best, however I really enjoy alien 3, especially the assembly cut, think its because of all the British character actors involved. Brian Glover and Charles dance, also the setting is more bleak and reminds me of a early 90s techno video. |
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Ridley/Ripley should think about making his life opus not fucking about with silly alien films |
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yeah its sort of remarkable really, there is a skeleton of a decent idea there but yeah it probably shouldn't have been touched |
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Just as I typed that, i realised - he actually thinks that shit is important. He's that far gone. |
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He's like the cunt in cryo-freeze in the film. |
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I think he totally forgot what made alien good in the first place, i.e. mystery and terror |
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its like star wars I reckon, nothing needed after return of the jedi because if you start poking at the source material it deflates like a soufflé as it wasn't created with a consistent mythology in mind |
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alien works because of the element of mystery and wonder and star wars 2, when you start filling in the mythology with ham-fisted inconsistent bumf, like midichlorians and engineers it unravels quite quickly |
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I suppose its like trying to construct new foundations on an all ready standing house. |
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i liked the 3rd one, the beginning… Agnus dei, the atmosphere, the 90s version of the the whole franchise. prison planet, skinheads, rape i really didn't like alien 4, that was real crap |
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Assembly Cut is the second best Alien after Alien. At least it's a horror movie, albeit more pensive and not as scary as the first one. |
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haven't seen assembly cut, willdo tonight :) everytime i hear the alien3 soundtrack sample in burials untitled track from the untrue album i get reminded that i should watch that film again. which is like 2,3 times a month still have that soundtrack on cd lying around somewhere |
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Alien is probably the only film i'd call a masterpiece Alien 3 assembly cut is great Aliens was great, aside from the stupid queen xeno and cheesy acting |
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The acting is great in Aliens. Great. |
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I'm really surprised and happy that people rate alien 3 especially the assembly cut on here, I thought I was the only one. I love the intro of Charles dance walking across a windswept inhospitable planet in an oversized coat, its a bit of a downer of a movie, but it has great dark humour, like brian glover being pulled up through the ventilation shaft, the guy with the rape goggles. The inmates have interesting characters. |
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first one remains my fave, its the only one that is a cinematic classic, but over the years I keep watching alien 3 as well, and occasionally aliens lest said about alien resurrection the better, even the last two alien films were better than that |
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Ive never watched the assembly cut. Might do that this evening. |
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do it! and report back to this thread ASAP with what you think |
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best alien site on the web I reckon |
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Rewatching Aliens a few times lately, it hasn't held up anywhere near as well as Alien, I think because it videogamified and trivialized the alien by presenting dozens of them getting mowed down by machine guns, and finally even a Boss Battle. Both Alien and Aliens have been copied to death, and that makes Aliens feel old and worn, but not Alien somehow, perhaps because it's drawing from much older and deeper psychological wells. One bit of silliness I love in Aliens is Paul Reiser's big thick plexiglass business card. Great idea, idiot, now carry a dozen of those clonking around in your pockets as you walk. |
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yes as a result of making them easily killed with big guns the film looses a lot of suspense as they aren't a scary unstoppable murdering juggernaut of the first film. Plus you see them far too much. I still really love aliens but yeah its a different genre of film, and not too keen on the safe happy ending either |
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Aliens is carried by the production design, which is largely thanks to its predecessor, and by Weaver's performance. It has it's moments but you could swap out the xenomorphs for any beast and it wouldn't make a difference, in Alien the creature is integral to the plot in it's design, bodily functions etc. in the creation of tension, everything. they become just big bugs in the sequel. |
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lol wtf "Of course, Ridley was not asked to return. In 1986 Bobbie Wygant asked Aliens producer Gale Anne Hurd if Scott had turned down the opportunity to direct the sequel. “I’m not really sure,” Hurd answered. “I know that he was in post-production on Legend at the time we were in pre-production [on Aliens], so perhaps it was a result of his availability.” But it turned out that the producers had never approached Ridley at all. “They didn’t ask me!” he told The Hollywood Interview in 2008. “To this day I have no idea why. It hurt my feelings, really, because I thought we did quite a good job on the first one.” |
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yes you nailed it |
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obviously wanted someone with more commercial sensibilities, I.e. james Cameron, I don't think making aliens was a bad idea, after all I do enjoy it, but I wonder what a true alien sequel would be like, |
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Yeah probably, plus Cameron had written the script before a director was attached. Aliens is a good action movie, just lacking that extra layer that made Alien so special. |
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yeah I suppose it reminds me of reading a graphic novel, its has short compact sequences of action and snappy dialogue. alien has that real feeling of eldritch, unknowable alien horror that has never been bettered |
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Ha ha let’s get upset with Ridley Scott doing what he wants and not what SteveMcFuckingQueen wants. I think he wanted to do the Ridley lineage after Prometheus but the net was saying: ooh nooooo the cunt he’s probably going to make it out that Shaw is Ripley’s Grandmother or something. I dunno, I get Steve’s point, but I also think that as we grow up we become far too demanding, and not necessarily for the right films. Alien is indeed by far the best though, 3=was better than it gets credit, Aliens was like a fun/action version of the original, and from there on it went a bit weird. I refuse to watch any of the crossovers, but I don’t feel any shame in admitting I enjoyed Prometheus and Covenant. I wasn’t expecting too much, so I was pleasantly surprised. They’re not brilliant, and they’re not duds. I would have loved a proper sequel to Prometheus though. |
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Apparently Ridley was in deep talks to direct alien 3, and was happy with the overall plot - but decided not to do it shortly before Fincher was hired that gives Alien 3 even more credibility in my book, it seems Ridley's main dislike was for Aliens, Resurrection and AVP (obviously) hopefully we get a follow up to covenant, which was decent in my opinion |
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once again I must say how much I truly love alien 3, even if it isn't scary, it has a great atmosphere |
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it reminds me of the cover of Saw 2, rusted metal industrial landscape, a powerstation on acid, did anyone ever play that racing pc game POD. it has that asthetic I really like. Like red dwarf series 5 episodes. it was a early 90s thing , does anyone else get what I mean or am I chundering to myself? |
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havent heard of this until now. the industrial site stills ive seen really make me look forward to seeing it. lets see what extra scenes let me dive more into that situation on the prison planet. i have to agree #3 is not as thrilling as #1, but especially the scenery makes me revisit once or twice a decade. i think its the same appeal to me as hypie describes. i wonder though how some of you dont dig the actionladen #2 it is a different kind of suspense and terror, sure, but when i watched this as a youth i was really thrilled by the constant pressure, the sheer numbers, the seemingly inevitable death of everyone despite all their efforts and guns, situation getting from bad to worse, time and time again. if they had to make a sequel to #1 its probably one of the best outcomes. i think so because you would have a hard time recreating the surprise and suspense telling a similar story over again. we already saw the creature, the cycle it lives, the acid blood etc.. we had the mystery, so instead of a repeat we get to the next round, both sides armed to the teeth. the video game comparison was pretty accurate and it worked out nicely for me. apart of the link posted, what would another alien film you wished for look like? |
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what I had in my mind for a true sequel to the first alien, was discovering the planet of the space jokey but it being completely alien itself like the design of the first film, walking down bleak alien landscapes/corridors discovering hideous variations of aliens, discovering more corposes of the space jokeys, eventually finding one that is alive discovering what went wrong? |
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sort of a Prometheus without all the things I didn't like, i.e. the space jockeys not having anything to do with humans. more interiors of weird alien buildings, being more terrifying. I liked the mutation idea in Prometheus with the black goo, I think that could have been expanded on, seen more weird hideous mutations |
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yes, wandering around in a gigeresque world was a dream ever since i saw those paintings, but hell of a task to have a decent plot in. there is quite some difficulties to maneuver around. lets say we start from the last log entries of ripleys rescue bark and another team is sent to explore. i fear that is again too much of a created scene. tough to bond with the new characters, who are about to be bound to a similar doomed fate. didnt work out too well in prometheus, covenant, avp. maybe a rigging crew is sent to the alien planet, untouched since alien. while drilling and mining, stumbles upon artifacts and step by step discovering more of alienesque structures, all the while mysterious accidents happen, dead facehugger finds, xenomorphs are seen, two or three survivors fight xenomorph variants of the pet dog, or humnoid etc until climactically the last survivor stands. he thinks he just made it but then he sees another xeno having lunch on a corpse. panic and terror rise. all equipment to leave this planet has either exploded or is damaged by now. he has no other way but to flee right into an enormous giger environment, clinging his hope to some other astronauts traces he found. but oh terror the traces only lead to more terrifying structures and gore. managing to survive hiding and sneaking, mabe having found a way to camouflage himself, reaching somthing that looks promising of an escape route, his heart beating into his lungs until he falls prey to yet another xenomorph that snuck up on him, being taken away screaming... |
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or maybe turn into a robinson crusoe on the alien planet story. |
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yes both of those ideas are great, I reckon the reason they have steered aware from total giger would be because the cost of set designs and would be too weird for a mainstream audience? I like the idea of monks and a monastery that was in one of the earlier alien 3 scripts, thinking it was a demon from hell, bursting out of privies! |
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Maybe Alien 5 can be set in some kind of Space Mosque, and they all get freaked out by a drawing of the alien? |
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loooool id watch that |
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There is no Alien but Alien (1979) |
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I have an idea for a plot, its sometime in the 24th century, the British/atlantic hegemon has decided to seed a habitable planet in the pleiades cluster. One ship the entertainment ark contains the cream of british light entertainment, cryogenically frozen for just such an occasion. Noel Edmonds, Gary Wilmot, Bob Carolgees, Alan Tistchmarsh, Les Dennis, Bobby Davro etc.. etc.. The ark deveolps a malfuction and jettisons our entertainers onto LV426, this time the alien has arse bursters |
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Cronenberg could make a dencent Alien. Canadlien. |
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If you see this, Michale Parosantos, know that you are loved; somewhere. |
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@hyperflake I've made my own head canon where the engineers are copycats of the "real" space jockeys.. it would be great if someone could convince Ridley to go this route |
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yes I had that same thought as well, that they are some sort of hybrid or offshoot and are using the space jockey tech |
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now assembly almost is a new movie! enjoyed that :) i always wondered what happened to that idea to trap it... |
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is it your first time watching it? deffo better than the theatrical release isn't it |
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yes it was! and last time i watched it (sometime within the last 12 months actually) they talked about isolating the alien behind those solid walls, but in that version they just didnt without any explanation, because it was all cut out after they talked about that plan! its ridiculous... |
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