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offline Tony Danza from Sesame Street on 2018-08-20 01:12 [#02558911]
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my theory is that men turn to misogyny when they feel that
they are erotically wounded by female rejection and that
this is the root of nationalism, fascism, the alt right, and
every form of radical traditionalism and religious
fundamentalism

lashing out at supposed "bug men" is a parallel and
complementary form of wish fullfillment, a dream of
restoring a lost hierarchy in which you, society's victim,
were supposed to have a higher position. unlike those fools
you have a chance at greatness. or you should have. you're
different, better. why not rent a white van and show them
all


 

offline belb from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2018-08-20 01:41 [#02558912]
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nerdbug = turdbug

jockbug = cockbug

and i am BOTH, bwahahaha


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-08-20 03:55 [#02558914]
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yes I got a tone of self hatred in the article, there are
some points I agree with that are hard to refute but on the
whole it seems pretty hateful and destructive and yeah as
you said its perhaps a psychological transposition of what
they want to say to women


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-08-20 04:10 [#02558915]
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there are certain people who irritate me, if Zuckerberg is
an archetype then yeah I sort of know what they are saying,
soulless people disconnected from nature, but its incorrect
to make sweeping generalisations, its what fascists
throughout history have done


 

offline Tony Danza from Sesame Street on 2018-08-20 04:20 [#02558916]
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well as I see it this dipshit has just read Fight Club and
doesn't understand that Tyler Durden is a symptom and not a
prescription


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-08-20 04:55 [#02558920]
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yes actually it is pretty much exactly like a copy of the
opening of fight club


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2018-08-20 15:16 [#02558943]
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im more likely studying than reading that.


 

offline wavephace from off the chain on 2018-08-21 00:29 [#02558989]
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nah bugman is just a folk anthropological term for the real
phenomenon of ppl who in the late capitalist era derive
there identity from pop culture and consumption of mass
media and consumerism and keep there thoughts comfortablely
near the center of there overton window and never do any
serious critique of the ideas theyve absorbed from said
culture and media i think ur mistaken if u think the bugmen
r lashed out against if anything they r pittyed or at most a
target of gentle lols in short the bugman is a person whod
buy a game of thrones lamp

as 4 the idea of men lashing against bugmen (or the idea of
men turning 2 right wing ideologys which kind of seems
separate) cuz of there status as a sexualy undesirable it
sounds similar 2 the theory of women turning in2 twiter
feminism and or lesbianism cuz they not desired by men in
that its based upon assumptions abt a persons thoughts and
mindstate not that id say theres NO truth 2 either side of
that psychoanalytic coin but theres probably other
explainations that dont require 1 call the psychic hotline


 

offline Tony Danza from Sesame Street on 2018-08-21 02:02 [#02558990]
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what kind of clueless sheltered little baby do you have to
be for your biggest concern to be that some guy with an
avengers t shirt and an iphone ate at subway


 

offline wavephace from off the chain on 2018-08-21 03:23 [#02558991]
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the guy in a dc comic shirt


 

offline wavephace from off the chain on 2018-08-21 03:43 [#02558992]
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btw i just finished reading a interesting sci fi novel
written in 1957 THE GLASS BEES by ernst jünger most of the
book takes the form of inner dialogue and reminiscences of a
former horse cavalry guy during a job interview at a hi tech
micro robotics/film studio company wherein he trys 2 come 2
terms with the rapid technological and social changes
occuring in his society


 

offline Tony Danza from Sesame Street on 2018-08-21 13:56 [#02559008]
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Ha! Pretty much, yes. I can imagine Nietzsche being a real
Aquaman stan.


 

offline Tony Danza from Sesame Street on 2018-08-21 13:57 [#02559009]
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That sounds good, reminds me of Vonnegut's Player Piano, and
from the same time frame, though without that neat framing
device.


 

offline E-man from Rixensart (Belgium) on 2018-08-22 07:01 [#02559130]
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If we can put aside the references to old dead white
philosophers...

We are now entering a new era of more power to women (which
is a good thing) but we better not make it happen too fast,
because it will disrupt in some ways the usual balance of
power and then lead to 'some'
form of 'revolution'.

And you how revolution tend to end... (see French
revolution)



 

offline Tony Danza from Sesame Street on 2018-08-22 13:28 [#02559257]
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wasn't the French revolution awesome though, many
aristocrats were introduced to mr. choppy

one might say that all revolutionary / counterrevolutionary
political concepts and forces since 1789 are ripples from
that event

speaking of books this one is very good


 

offline wavephace from off the chain on 2018-08-29 03:23 [#02559781]
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the book which REALLY predicted trunp


 

offline wavephace from off the chain on 2018-08-29 03:43 [#02559782]
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so what are ur guyses top COMFY authors

ive been reading jean staffords collected storys and after
the 1st story i got worryed it was gonna be a bunch of
"society" type storys like f scott fitzgerald who i just
finisheds 800 page story collection and got a lil burnt out
on that kinda stuff but these storys are actually rly nice
and comfy and she is very deliberate and poetic with the
words too it won the pulitzer prize deservedly


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2018-09-09 12:38 [#02560755]
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abandoned after the first chapter


 

offline Tony Danza from Sesame Street on 2018-09-10 21:25 [#02560852]
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John Gray - Seven Types of Atheism

I've gone back and forth with this guy, every time I try to
read one of his books I'll be fascinated then eventually
roll my eyes at some dealbreaker non sequitur, polemic
ax-grinding, or tendentious interpretation and bail, but
this one looks really good...


 

offline belb from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2018-09-10 22:29 [#02560858]
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i read straw dogs when it came out and i was trying out my
angsty teen philosopher pose, i remember rolling my eyes
even then but i doubt i had more than a superficial
understanding of his points

just bought the inverted world by christopher priest as an
audiobook, been treating myself to some of the
sf masterworks series


 

offline RussellDust on 2018-09-10 22:34 [#02560860]
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Boris Vian, K Dick come to mind.


 

offline RussellDust on 2018-09-10 22:37 [#02560861]
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A syntax error in an “look at me, I read” thread is a
bit much, wavematey! I don’t believe you read at all!


 

offline Tony Danza from Sesame Street on 2018-09-11 00:20 [#02560863]
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Ah, Straw Dogs. I've made a few runs at that. I always get
to the chapter "Science's Irrational Origins" where he's
whipping the corpse of Galileo with the ghost of Feyerabend
and then give up...

As portrayed by its fundamentalists, science is the
supreme expression of reason. They tell us that if it rules
our lives today, it is only after a long struggle in which
it was ceaselessly opposed by the Church, the state and
every kind of irrational belief. Having arisen in the
struggle against superstition, science – they say – has
become the embodiment of rational inquiry.

This fairy tale conceals a more interesting history. The
origins of science are not in rational inquiry but in faith,
magic and trickery. Modern science triumphed over its
adversaries not through its superior rationality but because
its late-medieval and early-modern founders were more
skilful than them in the use of rhetoric and the arts of
politics.


Interesting, but so what? It's like complaining that
agriculture's origins lie in hunter-gatherer societies, and
the first farmer had a really nice hat that everyone liked,
which tells you nothing about agriculture's virtues or
vices, or why we've kept at it. Pointing out fallacies on
the internet has earned a bad name but this is rather
transparently an example of the genetic fallacy.


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2018-09-11 21:56 [#02560911]
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offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2018-09-11 23:44 [#02560916]
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Started reading the new Bob Woodward book on Trump, 10% in
so far


 

offline Tony Danza from Sesame Street on 2018-09-11 23:58 [#02560917]
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Got a copy of that last night and I'm about that far in.
It's vastly entertaining, and provides some insights into
the politics. God, we're fucked. They knew what he was like
and they helped him get in anyways.

Bannon is an interesting character, and is almost certainly
one of the guys who talked to Woodward.

I loved the bit where Bannon is disgusted with Trump wolfing
down hot dogs like an 11 year old.

Isn't it crazy and sad that it takes a 75 year old guy from
the Watergate era to do this kind of investigative
journalism?


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2018-09-12 00:56 [#02560920]
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Did you also read Fire and Fury? I enjoyed that. I also
listen to the excellent Mueller She Wrote podcast :)


 

offline Tony Danza from Sesame Street on 2018-09-13 00:29 [#02560948]
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I started it but at the time I was feeling saturated by the
endless Trump circus so I set it aside...

Actually I've set the Woodward aside for the moment too
because I just got a copy of Age of Anger by Pankaj
Mishra. This book is the motherlode, the axis, the alpha and
omega of analyzing Our Fucked Up Era.


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2018-09-13 21:21 [#02560977]
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Will check that out, cheers Tony


 

offline belb from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2020-01-04 02:38 [#02592533]
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daniel ellsberg - the doomsday machine

only 100 pages in but i'm learn of US plans for arrmageddon
in the most stark, methodical detail. recommended if you
want The Fear


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2020-01-04 02:43 [#02592536]
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yeah the problem with nuclear arsenals I reckon is when
irrational actors get hold of them, your only have to have
one religious death cult with a lot of nukes to destroy
civilization


 

offline belb from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2020-01-04 02:49 [#02592537]
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*learning not learn, that makes it sound like the cat /
cheezburger meme

did you know two relatively small (1.1 megaton) nukes would
constitute more explosive power than every single bomb
dropped in ww2
?


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2020-01-04 03:19 [#02592544]
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More likely a book-shelf clubLAZY_TITLE


 


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