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If God proved his existence to you
 

online umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2018-03-07 18:54 [#02546028]
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How would you feel?
Christopher Hitchens said he would be pleasantly surprised.


 

offline mohamed on 2018-03-07 19:02 [#02546029]
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good question.

i think maybe one of the representation of god is
interaction between human and nature, and if that was the
case i suspect that it nearly saved my life once.


 

offline mohamed on 2018-03-07 19:16 [#02546030]
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i might add this can happen anywhere, and the place
supposedly most full of god can be also the most godless
place in that regard. but that has nothing to do with
animals.


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-03-07 19:26 [#02546032]
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LAZY_TITLE


 

offline mohamed on 2018-03-07 19:28 [#02546033]
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3, 4 seconds to quit


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-03-07 19:41 [#02546034]
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I don't know how id feel, strangely I don't think there is
anything id want to ask god, I don't think id want to meet
god


 

offline mohamed on 2018-03-07 19:44 [#02546035]
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you dont meet god, they say it manifests in the good things
you do


 

offline mohamed on 2018-03-07 19:44 [#02546036]
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its not a genie of the lamp


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-03-07 19:44 [#02546037]
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because I assume god would be on a different level of
cognition than me I don't think id receive a satisfactory
answer to anything I asked it


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-03-07 19:45 [#02546038]
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depends on what sort of god you mean, I assumed Umbroman3
was talking about the traditional anthrophonic manifestation
of god,


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-03-07 19:46 [#02546039]
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you know in a hypothetical sense, if he means in a unseen
power of nature then I don't know how you could meet it in
the traditional sense


 

offline mohamed on 2018-03-07 20:03 [#02546041]
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he said god, not jesus christ, god is indeed an unseen power
in nature


 

offline mohamed on 2018-03-07 20:05 [#02546042]
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i dont want to sound like i came out the middle ages, i know
its not angel's piss when it rains


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-03-07 20:18 [#02546043]
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now I know why their are so many variations of Christianity,




 

offline mohamed on 2018-03-07 20:21 [#02546044]
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imagine if you stepped into a forest, and all the exotic
plants started opening at your arrival. wouldnt that it be a
miracle?


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-03-07 20:21 [#02546045]
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Nontrinitarianism is a form of Christianity that rejects
the mainstream Christian doctrine of the Trinity—the
teaching that God is three distinct hypostases or persons
who are coeternal, coequal, and indivisibly united in one
being, or essence (from the Greek ousia). Certain religious
groups that emerged during the Protestant Reformation have
historically been known as antitrinitarian, but are not
considered Protestant in popular discourse due to their
nontrinitarian nature.


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-03-07 20:22 [#02546046]
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actually forget I posted that I don't want to derail the
thread with metaphysical theology


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-03-07 20:23 [#02546047]
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yes I guess so, if there was no explanation for it


 

offline mohamed on 2018-03-07 20:26 [#02546048]
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in both cases i think, if you had no explanation of it then
it would be an act of god, and if you had the explanation of
it then just a god-like recurrence.


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-03-07 20:29 [#02546049]
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well yeah that's my own personal view of god if god existed,
rather than the genie as you said, some sort of force that
reveals itself. I think its pretty miraculous that I'm alive
if I think of the chance of being a sentient human rather
than an insect or not existing at all, the probability is
much closer to 0 than 1


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-03-07 20:31 [#02546050]
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unless their is some sort of supervisory power and its no
coincidence at all, either answer if correct is pretty
profound


 

offline mohamed on 2018-03-07 20:31 [#02546051]
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i wouldnt mind being an insect, and just live my fucking
life that way


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-03-07 20:34 [#02546052]
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well I'm guessing they are less stressed, but who knows!
they don't have to worry about existential problems as its
beyond their comprehension,


 

offline mohamed on 2018-03-07 20:35 [#02546054]
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i would like to be one of those that looks like there's zero
gravity around them


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-03-07 20:36 [#02546055]
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like a bacteria or amoeba?


 

offline mohamed on 2018-03-07 20:36 [#02546056]
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nope, a flying one


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-03-07 20:39 [#02546057]
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I wouldn't mind being a really slow growing lichen feeling
the warmth of the sun


 

offline mohamed on 2018-03-07 20:41 [#02546058]
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yeah i can picture you in that situation


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-03-07 20:44 [#02546059]
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yeah the no worries lifestyle appeals to me, ive never heard
a moss complain


 

offline mohamed on 2018-03-07 21:20 [#02546062]
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you might be some kind of buddhist sage and didnt know it


 

offline Cliff Glitchard from DEEP DOWN INSIDE on 2018-03-07 23:11 [#02546074]
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I'd feel immense disappointment. It could only be a proper
cunt that created us and allow us to be this shit without
bothering to intervene.



 

offline welt on 2018-03-08 15:20 [#02546106]
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If by "prove" you mean a watertight proof that every
rational person has to accept, then I think it's logically
impossible for God to prove him/her/itself. How could a
finite, created human being master and understand a proof
which shows that an infinite, eternal being such as God must
exist? .... I don't see a way. I think our own finitude
logically excludes the possibility that we could comprehend
an infinite God in this specific way.

.... That being said. After being an atheist and then an
agnostic for a long time, I don't doubt God's existence
anymore.

And I think the most important hint is expressed in phrases
such as "seek and you shall find / knock and the door will
be opened" etc. I think if you manage to be completely
honest with yourself and genuinely care about the truth of
the question, then God will reveal in such a way that God's
existence is beyond a doubt. ... The existentially open
question for me is whether God is purely good or whether God
has good and evil aspects. ..

And ...If God is the creator of everything in our world,
then God is also the creator of humour, and it's thus
probably the case the God has a very very good sense of
humour. So I don't think he's offended by any non-believer.


 

online umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2018-03-08 16:19 [#02546107]
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Well, I was obsessed with becoming Jewish for a while. Jews
have 613 commandments and I was really interested in it. I
wrote 613 all over my website. And I was obsessed with the
number 613. When I first started hearing voices in the
head,like a week or two into it I went to the beach with my
dad and cousin. This beach I always came to in my childhood
with my family. And on the beach the voices were terrorising
me. I looked up at the sky from the beach, it was a clear
summer day. Up in the clouds I saw the number 614 written in
the clouds. To me, this was definitely a message from God.
The meaning is 'you cannot be Jewish because of your sins
and crimes', and the further meaning is that my family will
be punished for my sins and crimes. It's such a simple and
elegant put down to me and my family, showing that God does
have a beautiful sense of humour. I think God is perfect. To
me, torture and genocide were evil things that should never
be done. But God does torture and genocide himself. Anything
God does is just.


 

offline welt on 2018-03-08 16:46 [#02546108]
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I don't think such visions are messages from God. ... I
think mohamed made a good point above when he said "you dont
meet god, they say it manifests in the good things you do"

.... I also think of Dostoevsky, who claimed that the best
way to be convinced of the reality of God is to do
charitable acts and to treat one's fellow human beings with
respect. By doing that your basic way of experiencing the
world shifts in a fundamental way and the reality of God
becomes believable.

... But everybody needs to figure this out in their own way.
The issue is too deep to make sweepingly general statements.



 

online umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2018-03-08 16:59 [#02546109]
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Dostoevsky makes a lot of sense.

God gave us all a conscience. If you betray your own
conscience and do wrong you need to be punished.


 

offline RussellDust on 2018-03-08 17:27 [#02546111]
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Depends what this god you speak of is like I suppose.

I’d be pretty chuffed, come to think of it.

But you mean really right? Not as in mental problems.


 

offline mohamed on 2018-03-08 18:16 [#02546119]
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i agree with that, coscience is like a guide, isnt it some
kind of right path for you? it was for me.

clearly umbro the punishment stuff you made up after seeing
the 614 are your own inventions.


 

online umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2018-03-08 18:33 [#02546123]
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I think God judged me according to the 613 commandments and
found me lacking in every way. He put a judge from the court
of sanhedrin in charge of my torture. The voice I hear is
the judge punishing me for transgressing the commandments.


 

offline mohamed on 2018-03-08 18:38 [#02546124]
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if you coscience is clean, you have nothing to fear from the
judje


 

offline mohamed on 2018-03-08 18:39 [#02546125]
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if your conscience is clean, you have nothing to fear from
the
judge


 

offline mohamed on 2018-03-08 18:44 [#02546126]
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i think your music proves your coscience is clean.


 

online umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2018-03-08 18:47 [#02546127]
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Ouija board, would you mess about with one? Jewish law is
more dangerous than a Ouija board. Anti-semitism is
dangerous. God takes it all very seriously. He won't accept
the laws being trivialised.


 

offline mohamed on 2018-03-08 18:48 [#02546128]
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whats an Ouija board? dont make me google incriminating
things mate


 

offline mohamed on 2018-03-08 18:49 [#02546129]
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i have to eat my salad. bye


 

offline RussellDust on 2018-03-08 19:03 [#02546133]
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This is why I used to think you were a troll, Umbro.

I’m not sure I understand what’s going on.


 

offline mohamed on 2018-03-08 19:26 [#02546141]
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its his paranoid construction, seems it wont fall


 

offline mohamed on 2018-03-08 19:31 [#02546144]
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paranoia is the gateway to psychosis


 

offline RussellDust on 2018-03-08 20:28 [#02546156]
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And vice versa


 

offline mohamed on 2018-03-08 20:31 [#02546157]
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how do you mean? ive only experienced it in the sense i
wrote about, and havent read about that formula in any book,
so i couldnt verify your statement as absolute truth


 

offline mohamed on 2018-03-08 20:34 [#02546158]
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i still have doubts sometimes about your having endured
psychosis since you always seems to fall from the three
about it, but maybe its like belb said, it varies


 


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