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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2018-03-07 18:54 [#02546028]
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How would you feel? Christopher Hitchens said he would be pleasantly surprised.
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2018-03-07 19:02 [#02546029]
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good question.
i think maybe one of the representation of god is interaction between human and nature, and if that was the case i suspect that it nearly saved my life once.
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2018-03-07 19:16 [#02546030]
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i might add this can happen anywhere, and the place supposedly most full of god can be also the most godless place in that regard. but that has nothing to do with animals.
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-03-07 19:26 [#02546032]
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2018-03-07 19:28 [#02546033]
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3, 4 seconds to quit
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-03-07 19:41 [#02546034]
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I don't know how id feel, strangely I don't think there is anything id want to ask god, I don't think id want to meet god
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2018-03-07 19:44 [#02546035]
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you dont meet god, they say it manifests in the good things you do
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2018-03-07 19:44 [#02546036]
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its not a genie of the lamp
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-03-07 19:44 [#02546037]
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because I assume god would be on a different level of cognition than me I don't think id receive a satisfactory answer to anything I asked it
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-03-07 19:45 [#02546038]
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depends on what sort of god you mean, I assumed Umbroman3 was talking about the traditional anthrophonic manifestation of god,
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-03-07 19:46 [#02546039]
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you know in a hypothetical sense, if he means in a unseen power of nature then I don't know how you could meet it in the traditional sense
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2018-03-07 20:03 [#02546041]
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he said god, not jesus christ, god is indeed an unseen power in nature
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2018-03-07 20:05 [#02546042]
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i dont want to sound like i came out the middle ages, i know its not angel's piss when it rains
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-03-07 20:18 [#02546043]
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now I know why their are so many variations of Christianity,
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2018-03-07 20:21 [#02546044]
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imagine if you stepped into a forest, and all the exotic plants started opening at your arrival. wouldnt that it be a miracle?
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-03-07 20:21 [#02546045]
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Nontrinitarianism is a form of Christianity that rejects the mainstream Christian doctrine of the Trinity—the teaching that God is three distinct hypostases or persons who are coeternal, coequal, and indivisibly united in one being, or essence (from the Greek ousia). Certain religious groups that emerged during the Protestant Reformation have historically been known as antitrinitarian, but are not considered Protestant in popular discourse due to their nontrinitarian nature.
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-03-07 20:22 [#02546046]
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actually forget I posted that I don't want to derail the thread with metaphysical theology
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-03-07 20:23 [#02546047]
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yes I guess so, if there was no explanation for it
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2018-03-07 20:26 [#02546048]
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in both cases i think, if you had no explanation of it then it would be an act of god, and if you had the explanation of it then just a god-like recurrence.
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-03-07 20:29 [#02546049]
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well yeah that's my own personal view of god if god existed, rather than the genie as you said, some sort of force that reveals itself. I think its pretty miraculous that I'm alive if I think of the chance of being a sentient human rather than an insect or not existing at all, the probability is much closer to 0 than 1
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-03-07 20:31 [#02546050]
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unless their is some sort of supervisory power and its no coincidence at all, either answer if correct is pretty profound
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2018-03-07 20:31 [#02546051]
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i wouldnt mind being an insect, and just live my fucking life that way
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-03-07 20:34 [#02546052]
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well I'm guessing they are less stressed, but who knows! they don't have to worry about existential problems as its beyond their comprehension,
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2018-03-07 20:35 [#02546054]
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i would like to be one of those that looks like there's zero gravity around them
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-03-07 20:36 [#02546055]
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like a bacteria or amoeba?
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2018-03-07 20:36 [#02546056]
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nope, a flying one
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-03-07 20:39 [#02546057]
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I wouldn't mind being a really slow growing lichen feeling the warmth of the sun
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2018-03-07 20:41 [#02546058]
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yeah i can picture you in that situation
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2018-03-07 20:44 [#02546059]
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yeah the no worries lifestyle appeals to me, ive never heard a moss complain
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2018-03-07 21:20 [#02546062]
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you might be some kind of buddhist sage and didnt know it
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Cliff Glitchard
from DEEP DOWN INSIDE on 2018-03-07 23:11 [#02546074]
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I'd feel immense disappointment. It could only be a proper cunt that created us and allow us to be this shit without bothering to intervene.
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welt
on 2018-03-08 15:20 [#02546106]
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If by "prove" you mean a watertight proof that every rational person has to accept, then I think it's logically impossible for God to prove him/her/itself. How could a finite, created human being master and understand a proof which shows that an infinite, eternal being such as God must exist? .... I don't see a way. I think our own finitude logically excludes the possibility that we could comprehend an infinite God in this specific way.
.... That being said. After being an atheist and then an agnostic for a long time, I don't doubt God's existence anymore.
And I think the most important hint is expressed in phrases such as "seek and you shall find / knock and the door will be opened" etc. I think if you manage to be completely honest with yourself and genuinely care about the truth of the question, then God will reveal in such a way that God's existence is beyond a doubt. ... The existentially open question for me is whether God is purely good or whether God has good and evil aspects. ..
And ...If God is the creator of everything in our world, then God is also the creator of humour, and it's thus probably the case the God has a very very good sense of humour. So I don't think he's offended by any non-believer.
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2018-03-08 16:19 [#02546107]
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Well, I was obsessed with becoming Jewish for a while. Jews have 613 commandments and I was really interested in it. I wrote 613 all over my website. And I was obsessed with the number 613. When I first started hearing voices in the head,like a week or two into it I went to the beach with my dad and cousin. This beach I always came to in my childhood with my family. And on the beach the voices were terrorising me. I looked up at the sky from the beach, it was a clear summer day. Up in the clouds I saw the number 614 written in the clouds. To me, this was definitely a message from God. The meaning is 'you cannot be Jewish because of your sins and crimes', and the further meaning is that my family will be punished for my sins and crimes. It's such a simple and elegant put down to me and my family, showing that God does have a beautiful sense of humour. I think God is perfect. To me, torture and genocide were evil things that should never be done. But God does torture and genocide himself. Anything God does is just.
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welt
on 2018-03-08 16:46 [#02546108]
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I don't think such visions are messages from God. ... I think mohamed made a good point above when he said "you dont meet god, they say it manifests in the good things you do"
.... I also think of Dostoevsky, who claimed that the best way to be convinced of the reality of God is to do charitable acts and to treat one's fellow human beings with respect. By doing that your basic way of experiencing the world shifts in a fundamental way and the reality of God becomes believable.
... But everybody needs to figure this out in their own way. The issue is too deep to make sweepingly general statements.
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2018-03-08 16:59 [#02546109]
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Dostoevsky makes a lot of sense.
God gave us all a conscience. If you betray your own conscience and do wrong you need to be punished.
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RussellDust
on 2018-03-08 17:27 [#02546111]
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Depends what this god you speak of is like I suppose.
I’d be pretty chuffed, come to think of it.
But you mean really right? Not as in mental problems.
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2018-03-08 18:16 [#02546119]
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i agree with that, coscience is like a guide, isnt it some kind of right path for you? it was for me.
clearly umbro the punishment stuff you made up after seeing the 614 are your own inventions.
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2018-03-08 18:33 [#02546123]
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I think God judged me according to the 613 commandments and found me lacking in every way. He put a judge from the court of sanhedrin in charge of my torture. The voice I hear is the judge punishing me for transgressing the commandments.
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2018-03-08 18:38 [#02546124]
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if you coscience is clean, you have nothing to fear from the judje
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2018-03-08 18:39 [#02546125]
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if your conscience is clean, you have nothing to fear from the
judge
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2018-03-08 18:44 [#02546126]
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i think your music proves your coscience is clean.
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2018-03-08 18:47 [#02546127]
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Ouija board, would you mess about with one? Jewish law is more dangerous than a Ouija board. Anti-semitism is dangerous. God takes it all very seriously. He won't accept the laws being trivialised.
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2018-03-08 18:48 [#02546128]
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whats an Ouija board? dont make me google incriminating things mate
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2018-03-08 18:49 [#02546129]
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i have to eat my salad. bye
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RussellDust
on 2018-03-08 19:03 [#02546133]
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This is why I used to think you were a troll, Umbro.
I’m not sure I understand what’s going on.
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2018-03-08 19:26 [#02546141]
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its his paranoid construction, seems it wont fall
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2018-03-08 19:31 [#02546144]
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paranoia is the gateway to psychosis
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RussellDust
on 2018-03-08 20:28 [#02546156]
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And vice versa
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2018-03-08 20:31 [#02546157]
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how do you mean? ive only experienced it in the sense i wrote about, and havent read about that formula in any book, so i couldnt verify your statement as absolute truth
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2018-03-08 20:34 [#02546158]
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i still have doubts sometimes about your having endured psychosis since you always seems to fall from the three about it, but maybe its like belb said, it varies
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