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To those who loved Mark Bell aka JivverDicker
 

offline chachmaster3000 on 2017-11-23 23:31 [#02538029]
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My sincerest apologies for my post humus shit talking
against him.

I know I wasn't the only one, and I don't know exactly what
I said, but I held him in contempt for basically doing the
same things that I've done on at times on the internet.
Instigating, trolling, trying to win, being stupid etc.

He died, and right then it was over. He had no ability to
defend himself, and despite how I felt, I should have gotten
over it or not bothered commenting.

Many people loved him dearly and I hate to think that I
soured their grief even more.

I'm sorry for our loss.


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2017-11-23 23:47 [#02538030]
Points: 10221 Status: Regular



If he'd still be alive he'd probably tell you you're being a
bitch. No I do.

I miss Jivver. :/


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2017-11-23 23:47 [#02538031]
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*Now


 

online SignedUpToLOL from Readers' Wives (United Kingdom) on 2017-11-24 10:06 [#02538036]
Points: 2030 Status: Regular



What goDel says, but at the same time, it doesn't hurt to
recognise that sometimes we go a bit beyond the trolling
*for the lulz* into darker territory. I am very guilty of
that. But in jivver's case, I don't think he ever lost any
sleep over whatever someone said about him on here, nor gave
it a solitary thought when he wasn't logged in. Anybody who
knew the hilarious, generous,
down-to-earth-despite-being-a-music-legend bloke behind
"jivverdicker" misses him greatly.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2017-11-24 15:29 [#02538048]
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nonsense. he's too dead to be trolled, now, but there's no
reason his death can't be used to troll the living


 

online SignedUpToLOL from Readers' Wives (United Kingdom) on 2017-11-24 15:31 [#02538049]
Points: 2030 Status: Regular



Autism. Liberals kind of try to make a virtue of it, like
it's some kind of "innocence", but it really is a fucking
crippling affliction
.


 

online Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2017-11-24 15:41 [#02538050]
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you get a lot of people saying they are autistic nowadays
when they quite clearly aren't, I knew a severely autistic
kid, it definitely wasn't a positive personality trait


 

online SignedUpToLOL from Readers' Wives (United Kingdom) on 2017-11-24 15:53 [#02538051]
Points: 2030 Status: Regular | Followup to Hyperflake: #02538050



Exactly. My brother has Aspergers, but really. And then you
hear you people say things like "Ooohhh, I never
understood why I didn't fit in with everyone and felt
awkward in social situations, and then I was diagnosed as
having Aspergers and, Golly!, it's such a relief, I accept
my difference
". My brother would be utterly incapable of
that sort of self-reflection, at least verbally to be able
to kind of distance yourself from how he is and comment on
it in some breezy manner. He functions perfectly well, he
works with the Post, likes order, likes things to stay the
same, ... not a great conversationalist :P He feels, very
deeply, but struggles to express verbally. I wind him up
going "Name a type of bird, go on, name a bird"... and he
really kind of has to force himself to commit to naming a
bird (which is how I see it). He likes it, I'm not being
mean, I can make him laugh. But, totally, on one hand we're
all on the spectrum, I know I am, but.. it has become a
thing to say "Hey, you know what? I'm an autistic, that's
why I am no fun and self-centred" which, I don't believe a
truly autistic person would be capable of saying.


 

online SignedUpToLOL from Readers' Wives (United Kingdom) on 2017-11-24 15:57 [#02538052]
Points: 2030 Status: Regular



One spooky thing was, years ago when we were kids, I did
that thing where you have cards with symbols on, I think you
have like 6 or so, to test for psychic powers - so I'd pick
one and get him to guess, and he got WELL OVER THE ODDS for
picking correctly.

There was also a ready-reckoner in the back of an atlas we
had, with the distances between cities - you picked two
cities, goddamn if he couldn't tell you the distance between
them (without looking, obviously).


 

online Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2017-11-24 15:59 [#02538053]
Points: 15619 Status: Addict



its become a weirdly fashionable thing to say, one of my
girlfriends mates was telling me she was autistic, she
outgoing as fuck and is in no way autistic. As you say most
people who are autistic/Asperger's don't have that level of
self reflection or need to label themselves, actually most
of the time they are oblivious.

I don't know why it goes on nowadays, This woman was saying
that I might be autistic, and I was saying, my doctor might
have thought I am, but I said I don't actually think I am,
as ive met someone who is properly autistic, and it was
profound how life altering it is.


 

online Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2017-11-24 16:01 [#02538054]
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autistic peoples brains work very different, he is probably
some sort of savant in a way, very proficient in certain
areas, but deficient in others


 

online SignedUpToLOL from Readers' Wives (United Kingdom) on 2017-11-24 16:10 [#02538055]
Points: 2030 Status: Regular | Followup to Hyperflake: #02538054



Exactly. The secret service uses autistics, they can be
brilliant, spot patterns in seemingly random things, but
just don't ask one to make you a cup of tea or do the
washing up.

The mother of my child was terrified that our son was
autistic because of my brother, and bought all these books
and took him to doctors when he was a toddler, convinced he
was autistic. He's not fucking REMOTELY autistic, if
anything he's over emotional, over empathetic, over verbose.
But I know she still kind of thinks he might be. It really
upsets me. The fact she has books in that house with titles
like "Learning to be different" or some shit - that's
fucking abuse in my book.

Of course I'm the BAD person because I drink on weekdays...

ANYHOO :P


 

online Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2017-11-24 16:26 [#02538058]
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I know what your getting at, their is this cultural thing of
identifying or labelling people nowadays, for 99% of the
time its unhelpful and diverts resources from people who
really need it


 

online Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2017-11-24 16:26 [#02538059]
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its a weird middle class thing of progressive parents with
too much time and guilt on their hands


 

offline mohamed on 2017-11-24 19:29 [#02538069]
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i used to spot patterns in seemingly random things all the
time when i was in my sickest moment. i had the same vague
impression before, of having been hit by several mental
disorders during a gradual span of time, not just one, and
this thread confirms the ongoing reconsideration of things.


 

offline mohamed on 2017-11-24 19:34 [#02538071]
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i am guilty of having asked xltronic if i was autistic once,
i think i wanted to feel special or something, back to the
times when mental diseases were fancy and everybody wanted
to have sinaesthesia or something


 

offline mohamed on 2017-11-24 19:52 [#02538073]
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my mother's death has been just the last drop, into an
already full jar


 

offline mohamed on 2017-11-24 19:54 [#02538074]
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i definitely, and thanks god not irreversibly started
tripping in 6 the months that cancer killed her


 

offline mohamed on 2017-11-24 20:05 [#02538075]
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aint no shit when a loved one gets paranoid, im pretty crude
and direct, bursting them fucking bubbles before they get
too big. on the other hand, hated ones can stick to paranoia
because i dont fucking care, and if they're bastards i
secretly take pleasure from it


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2017-11-25 21:39 [#02538142]
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The mother of my child was terrified that our son was
autistic because of my brother, and bought all these books
and took him to doctors when he was a toddler, convinced he
was autistic. He's not fucking REMOTELY autistic, if
anything he's over emotional, over empathetic, over
verbose.


hello


 

online RussellDust on 2017-11-26 12:00 [#02538347]
Points: 9529 Status: Addict



What signeduptolol said.

I rem once asking him if he was ok after some cunts decided
to reveal his private life here. He was totally ok about
it.

“It’s fine, I’ve given enough shit too!”

I was quite impressed.


 

offline Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2017-11-26 13:00 [#02538354]
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If you slag off someone when they're alive i dont see why
youd stop when they pass away. They didn't change, they
died. If anything they'll forever be a prick now.
Sensitivity to their loved ones in understandable but where
else would you talk about jivver other than here? If you
hated him thats fine and no one should begrudge you sharing
that here of all places.


 

online RussellDust on 2017-11-26 13:40 [#02538357]
Points: 9529 Status: Addict



He was harsh, and a bit of a shit stirrer, but he was fair.
I’m sure I’ll get stick for this but he wasn’t out to
troll, he just didn’t suffer fools gladly.

He was also very generous, and enjoyed looking after some of
the people he met here. He enjoyed coming here, enjoyed the
banter and the people.

I don’t get those who saw him as an arse.

The people I know who knew him outside of xlt all seem to
agree.

And yeah of course if you hated someone while he was alive,
it’s permissible to still dislike that person, and the
memory you have of them. It gets dodgy when it’s attacks
though, and someone is dead and therefore can’t answer
back.



 

online Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2017-11-26 13:52 [#02538361]
Points: 15619 Status: Addict



Its terribly sad he died so young, I hope his family are
coping well,

I didnt know him well enough to have an opinion one way or
the other what he was like, afterall internet personalities
can often vary wildly different to what your like in the
real world

Hence why people who give me shit on here wouldnt say boo to
a goose in real life cos i would proper chin ya



 

online Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2017-11-26 13:54 [#02538363]
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Its only right we still talk about him and remember him, he
was a big part of this site and the music we like


 

online RussellDust on 2017-11-26 15:48 [#02538369]
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“Hence why people who give me shit on here wouldnt say boo
to
a goose in real life cos i would proper chin ya”

Lol


 

offline DADONCK from here on 2017-11-26 15:50 [#02538370]
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the thing with autistic women is: they have a better
behavioral structure to fall back to, to hide behind. they
learn at a very early age to adapt. there is a lot of
research about it.

an example: i remember seeing two kids at the almost same
age with their mother, a boy and a girl. the girl was having
a little buggy with a plastic baby inside. she was
complaining to her mother that the buggy was to heavy and
she wanted to leave it on the street. the mother told her
she can't do it or the baby would be very sad, die, ... so
the girl moved on with the buggy. at the same time the boy
was holding a stick and making weird noises on a metallic
grid :)


 

offline DADONCK from here on 2017-11-26 15:53 [#02538371]
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i must say, i liked jivverdicker a lot and i always thought
he was apex twin


 

online Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2017-11-26 18:01 [#02538381]
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yeah I think a lot more latitude is give to women in regards
to mental health problems, I think its a cultural issue, men
are generally told to get on with in, I know my dad was from
a generation that basically didn't even really consider
mental illness a real issue, it was just get on with it,
buck your ideas up. Thankfully things are changing for the
better


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2017-12-01 17:21 [#02538843]
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i remember one time i woke up and i went to get a coffee mug
and there weren't any clean coffee mugs. so i just stand
there, caught up. do i use a glass? are the mugs elsewhere?
do i wash a mug in the sink? which one will be the least
effort?

at this point, my buddy walked in, saw me staring at the
sink, knew exactly what was happening. he says, "i feel so
bad for you" and fixed me a cup of coffee.

but i do know the difference between outdoor trumpet and
indoor trumpet


 

online SignedUpToLOL from Readers' Wives (United Kingdom) on 2017-12-01 17:28 [#02538845]
Points: 2030 Status: Regular



Rejoice! Yet another unsolicited glimpse into EpicMegaTrax's
fucking life.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2017-12-01 17:32 [#02538847]
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it seemed incredibly relevant to what you were saying about
your son and your baby mama


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2017-12-01 17:33 [#02538848]
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the thing i linked, i meant.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2017-12-01 17:36 [#02538849]
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then the coffee cup story was sort of like "name a type of
bird."

for the record, i'd yell SPARROW or something without
thinking.

then i'd get tied up for ten minutes trying to figure out
why the hell i went with sparrow


 

online RussellDust on 2017-12-01 18:09 [#02538851]
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He doesn’t realise. There’s something endearing about it
all though, reminds me of when I was five and guests would
come for dinner and I would do a song and dance.

EMT just wants to be liked, like us all.


 

online SignedUpToLOL from Readers' Wives (United Kingdom) on 2017-12-01 18:47 [#02538867]
Points: 2030 Status: Regular | Followup to EpicMegatrax: #02538849



Well I appreciate the fact you've come out of your comfort
zone and forced yourself to explain something in terms that
people other than yourself can understand.


 

online RussellDust on 2017-12-01 18:49 [#02538869]
Points: 9529 Status: Addict



When I’m up for it, I like epic’s post. But he is very
focused on himself. The excitable child. I mean, I too enjoy
being amazed at how different Andy smart I am. It does get
boring though. Blogs are better suited than forums.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2017-12-01 20:25 [#02538876]
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i feel like we've done this argument before


 

offline mohamed on 2017-12-01 20:32 [#02538878]
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yeah then you pop up those fucking bible capters again like
we were 8000 in this fucking forum


 

offline mohamed on 2017-12-01 20:37 [#02538879]
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or it is an, intimate lecture? bwahaha


 

offline mohamed on 2017-12-01 20:42 [#02538880]
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ah forgot that every post is linked in your mind, 'frozen'
by your own words, and like the madonna track, and that
every post contains an emotion.


 

offline mohamed on 2017-12-01 21:00 [#02538881]
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horrible use of the board.


 

online RussellDust on 2017-12-01 21:07 [#02538883]
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There’s no argument to be had. Nearly every post you make
is self indulgent. It just seems like you treat this place
with contempt. Hyperflake, myself, mohamed to name a few,
we’ve all tried to connect. It’s just not possible.
Never mind. It’s not a big deal, and it’s your problem,
not mine.


 

online RussellDust on 2017-12-01 21:14 [#02538887]
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I’m not saying you’re not smart and different, and that
you shouldn’t cultivate it, epicmegatracks, it’s just
that it really, really feel like you treat this place like a
dump. Ok end of, I promise.


 

offline mohamed on 2017-12-01 21:23 [#02538888]
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i will destroy your machinery, EM


 

offline mohamed on 2017-12-01 21:43 [#02538894]
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im like the batman of this site, and you are like a
small/middle boss.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2017-12-01 23:57 [#02538920]
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getting a bit worked up over a message board, are we


 

offline mohamed on 2017-12-02 07:50 [#02538923]
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says the man linking bullshit


 

online SignedUpToLOL from Readers' Wives (United Kingdom) on 2017-12-02 09:26 [#02538924]
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Well all I say is, don't take a dump in a thread that was
deals with one person's regret at trolling someone who then
died, someone a lot of people miss very dearly, and expect
to be fucking liked or listened to.


 

online RussellDust on 2017-12-02 11:03 [#02538927]
Points: 9529 Status: Addict | Followup to EpicMegatrax: #02538920



Nah, a messageboard is trying to get through to you. Shows
people care. Won’t bother again.


 


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