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My Gf watches this reality tv program where its a dance school and they are all doing this urban dance moves, and rap music that was exactly the same 30 years ago, why is it sill considered to be cool, Its as if everyone was still wearing flairs and side burns from the 70s |
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Fame! (I wanna live forever) |
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the program is like that a very shit version LAZY_TITLE |
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I was thinking about that recently. I won't deny the musical genius of HipHop, but it's very weird to me that teenagers still are very much into it and see it as part of *their* youth-culture. HipHop feels almost as old as Gregorian Chant to me. It makes me think of how in acient Egypt the art-sytle didn't change noticably in more than 1000 years. |
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That’s just a state of mind (and time) you’re in. Another state of consciousness could perceive hip hop as new and fresh. We’ve barely started using electricity to make music. Slow down! |
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our culture is shortsighted and we expect constant change and novelty. what about reverence for tradition, and the quiet dignity of being entombed with the pharaohs |
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I just wonder why Rap has the continuing monopoly on being cool amongst |
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haha nozin around |
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sorry i thought i was in the time team thread |
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people like to dance on shows like this because they want to enjoy wiggling their back sides like they sat on a magimix. They also have no idea the threats facing their potential kids. completely and utterly blank to it all, expecting the leaders to make their future safe for them (insert sound frm 80's quiz show "EHGGG EERRGGH"") controlled by MSM, social media and teen magazines, schools and even the backs of cereal packets. if they knew they would get depressed anyway. So, oh well, let em wiggle their bots while they are young. |
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maybe if those crusty old pharohs had hip-hop then we'd have had over a thousand years of unbroken hoppin'. holla |
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let people listen what they want, the shit that they are listening today its their wu tang, maybe its time to admit you are getting old |
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I have no issue admitting im getting old, yeah you have a point saying that its their equivalent of wu tang or what not, it's just no genres of music have really emerged, well not in mainstream culture anyway |
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things have stagnated alot across the board, its the internets fault |
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i see what you mean, but at the same time with the internet its just about one own's willing to discover basing on your own very tastes, and not wait for godsend |
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you demostrate a young age if you think music is somehow 'finished' |
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I didn't mean it unfavorably when I compared HipHop to old Gregorian Chants. I do think Gregorian Chant still sounds fresh after 1000 years and I do listen to it (a lot). I just find the clash weird between (a) youthful apsirations to do something cutting-edge and then (b) sticking to old HipHop. I don't condemn it. That would be silly. |
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Well, I guess I AM a bit disappointed that Beans of Antipop Consortium promised in 2003 that there is still a lot of avant-garde potential in HipHop and then not much was delivered. I admit that |
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I didnt say it was finished, just that nothing that interesting culturally is happening, to me at any rate |
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did you listen to the new autechre? thats pretty good |
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i suppose thats part of getting older, i dont actively search for stuff i might like if i was young, thats a large part of it, i reckon things are a bit shitter though even accounting for that |
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it sounds better if you are yourself behind the decks i admit |
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sorry yeah, i mean discounting the good stuff, i mean in mainstream culture like radio of films, |
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^its just that shit, ad infinitum, not even good hip hop, its been striped of any meaning, little kids with fake american accents, |
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Also, how far can a genre go once it’s been “genred”? I’m sure I don’t have to explain the limitations that implies. I still discover something fresh once in a while and lose my cynicism, which for me generally means something from the soul, something that’s not afraid to be different. |
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All the singers on X factor etc. are usually doing desperate impressions of impressions of people from decades back. With hiphop/breakdancing originally the impetus is/was on doing new and original things always (you all seen Style Wars right?). That Asian guy who recently got booted off the Apprentice and got laughed at cos he said "I'm a breakdancer, I have to be creative" was just in the wrong decade (and also probably all mouth, but whatev). All these 'microgenres' these days are fucking ace; fair bit of mash up of old stuff in those but they carry themselves. Fuck, i said mashup. Maybe after a certaiin amount of experience you start to think there's a fundamental thingymajig that everything is just emanations of, or something :) |
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Like, I hate sometimes how I hear something and immediately relate it back to something from a while ago, because I couldn't do that when I was younger, and that's why it seemed brand new. |
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you dont get to appreciate the recalling of that very same vibe in it? |
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"Here on this acrylic platform, I present to you a golden hexagonal plate, full of buffalo teeth covered in organic sage toothpaste and pellets of amber-entombed wasps." "...And what the hell is that?" "It's hip hop. Using music with sound and dancing to it with movement is so old school." |
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yeah that's what I'm getting at I suppose, its becoming increasingly diluted, its impressions of people doing impressions of people, its like looking at a faded photograph |
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it doesn't really bother me too much as I consciously try not to involve myself in this sort of stuff, but when I do occasionally get a glimpse I think how tired and worn out it all is |
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you dont get ever the impression of listen to very focused photographs? |
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it is age, guys. from the discoveries of the past, to the stagnation of the present, you will go back to freshness, and then to stagnation again, eventually. |
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yes undoubtaley if I was half my age I wouldn't have started this thread, its large part of aging, this decade and a large part of last decade have felt very contiguous to me, like no sea change in styles of things, |
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like if you do, and maybe a bit exxagerating now, if you impress a change in your life, how would you think your ears will hear? |
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A few days ago this thread inspired me to listen attentively to the "best" HipHop tracks of 2017.. Now I can't get them out my head and they disturb my peace because they were pretty bad. I long for the day I don't hear the line "I tell all my hoes / rake it up / rake it up" in my head anymore. |
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