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apparently this is like MIDI for stage lights and fog machines. did you know? |
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you can use midi to control dmx lighting desks. i hooked up an atari st to one once. kinda fun. |
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wicked |
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"let's remap the acid line to the disco ball and see how that looks/sounds" |
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is this where dmx krew gets his name? |
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that was what i wondered, too. |
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has someone parsed midi data to dmx as they have same value ranges, so you can synch lights and stuff perfectly to your music, or are they cross compatible anyway? |
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BMX cross? angry cross? french watercross? help me out here |
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I used to love my bmx, want to see the other sort of bikes we had in the 80s? |
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BMX cross, yes, i distantly remember 'em. my first bike was more towards that style |
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anyways, to answer your question -- you can use a bmx cross to convert midi to dmx, sure. |
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yes, it would make an interesting project for sure, |
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not as interesting as using a gasolene engine to hurl around a MIDI-controlled, circuit-bent casio for a nice leslie effect |
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it was a while ago i used a cassette tape. Left channel was smpte time code right track was music i controlled the atari ST cubase from the tape cassette left channel. smpte oin casstette went to a midi time code converter. it was weird i rewound my cassttte hit play and all the lights would fire off in a theatre. think i used fsol or sumfing. |
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cassatonnette smptone it was weird rewound cassstttteeeee so, wait. what was the right channel doin? |
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you can take a midi drum track and have kick on one light and snare on another. if need be convert the midi so if channel one on the lighting desk is continuous controller1 you could convert the note and velocity of the snare to cc1. midi is limited though. if i remember i used the bandwidth up fast but you can always have more dmx desks |
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or make your own these days with an arduino and max msp max msp demo free for first month, then 6 quid a month. arduino 17 quidish. high amp transisitors relays a few kettle mains leads. a light bulb soldering iron fire extinguisher heart resuscitator. you could make a system for under well under 100 quid. |
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Right channel had the analogue music on left had smpte time code. |
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Atari St Cubase was midi only so had to sync music to the Atari so cassette was the master Atari the slave left channel time code on cassstte right chn had the music . |
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haha no not like that |
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it's actually dmx bmxs are chinese dmxs |
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freqy you should make a sound cloud account :-) |
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how did you find this stuff out before the advent of the net? did you by magazines? |
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so... you bounced the music to audio [right] then [SMPTE] to sync up to the music on [left] [SMPTE] went into [MIDI] [MIDI] went into [Atari (sTea)] [Atari MIDI] went out to [DMX board] ...so the same hits that generated the bounced audio were mappened to controllers on the DMX board? it's very important, i may have to do this someday. |
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mr. freqy it's your turn sir. please proceed. |
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Cassette L > smpte (analog on the tape) >SMPTE TO MTC converter> MTC > (midi in)Atari Casstte R > music amalogue > mixer >amp >speakers So Atari now synced to the tape desk L channel, you can trigger lights via cubase CC's and notes >midi out to a dmx light board midi in. that then goes to the lighting dimmers > lights |
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i purchased an SGI o2 from a swapfest, torrented IRIX, then hooked it up to a kloss novabeam model one tribeam projector [] and if i play my cards right i may have that much time to fuck around with obsolete high-end gear again someday |
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i found out from trials and errors. |
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i was thinking you composed some nice tracker jungle with stage lighting in mind and used the same source MIDI for both. sounds like a good idea dunnit ? |
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but this is the OLD way in fact i dont know of anyone using a cassette tape before lol i used that just to experiment. now we have Steinberg or logic with audio tracks so .....there is no need to use tape to get sound and light to sync up ;P |
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yeh good idea epi : ) |
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what happens if you put your finger on the tape to slow it doooown a bit ? |
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you can get a midi controlled lighting desk for under 100 squid. and the dimmers ( that you send dmx to...to control the high voltage for the lights) around 150 quid would buy something substantial. then you just send the dmx desk midi from logic or cubase. and at the same time play the music out the sound card in sync to the FOH and play along to it. |
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on my old system I think sync would be lost. and the ST would either stop or carry on out of sync. anyway if you want to slow or speed up, you can on a modern system using vari pitch. regards music. regards lights. as long as the sequncer still plays the midi notes and CCs out when you operate vari pitch. some may, some may not. only with tests can you know. hence i was using a tape cassette deck on my tests. lol I just had to know. how it all worked. |
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i have never had a proper sit-down with an atari st, and i would really like to, if only to get the feel of it. "it" would more properly be the "alright, m8, you need an atari ST, an akai S1000, a 303, and 808, a 909, a turntable, a quadraverb, and a sixteen-channel mackie with MONO, mono m8" |
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if I win the lottery this is first thing I would do |
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Brother gave his STe to next door neighbour when we upgraded to PCs really wish we hadn't |
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i sold my stfm in a bootsale for £20 a couple of years ago. my ste is still with me but the floppy drive is faulty. gotta get it repaired sometime. |
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i think people constantly misunderestimate how much the tools one uses and the in which one works influences the the results one gets. i've been writing trax that are essentially just XM/MOD files, and i find myself doing bizarre shit with portamento to do record scratchy noises and jesus christ i would never ever have done anything this way if not for just sitting down and confining myself to eight lanes and a bunch of jungle samples and hex code istening to tracks that were made on those sort of setups, i can kind of guesssussitmate out the workflow. sounds like lots of sampling everything into the sampler and sequencing that. run your 303 line through the quadraflange and back into the S1000 as a sample so you can get the timing of the flange to match things perfectly but then how many outputs does the S1000 have? did anyone bother to slice up breaks before recycle? i dunno, i'd just have to be left alone in a room with the stuff and a nice bag o puff |
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i figure if you were forced to sit there and sample individual 303 notes with variations like "flange up A" and "double speed flange start low" in order to effectively chop up a live 303 jam into individual notes that could be reconstructed into an approximation of the live jam via sequencing in atari cubase st because your sampler doesn't have enough RAM to hold 8-bar loops then it might blow your brain up a little |
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