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you were talking about meditating. do you do this everyday? since when are you doing it? what do u get from it? would be nice to know some more. i just joined a class that will start soon. looking forward to it |
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welt's posts are consistent quality and more would be nice. |
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welt is a nice guy, theoric like others in the tradition of xlt, should get a bit more empirical |
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vipassana is all you need, i also get the tip from here like from big and others, went to two retirements of 10 days each, meditating 12 hours a day. not doing it, but the principle remains. |
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you can also fail, in that case if you wanted to join another course they might not accept you. |
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I meditated for the first time in July 2015. I did it every day since then. I started with 10min/day and then worked my way up to 30min. In September '15 I went to China for a few weeks via uni. The trip had nothing to do with meditation or philosophy or the like, but I still decided to read through the Chinese classics as a "preparation". So when I came to the Zen texts it felt a bit pointless to read them without giving meditation a try. So I tried it with ZERO expectation of anything interesting happening, and to my surprise I liked it. I don't try to be orthodox about meditation techniques "Achtsamkeitsmeditation"/perceiving-without-judging-approac though. I switch between following a mantra and a sort of h. The benefits I experienced: - it decreases anxiety. Situations I found crushingly terrible before I now find either at least tolerable or sometimes even enjoyable. I used to have a lot of dreams with a really uncomfortable general feeling, that stopped pretty soon after meditating for the first time. - it made me less judgemental about others and myself. One of the most fascinating aspects of meditation is that certain (negative) emotions and thought-patterns, which are so prevalent in everyday-life that they seem to be an essential part of yourself, just stop, vanish and disappear during a meditation session. That shows that they are not a necessary part of yourself!... So now I find it much easier to not condemn a person (including myself) for questionable actions and attitudes, but see a clear distinction between who a person essentially is and contingent or accidental "problematic" behavior. That helps a lot to relax relationships to one's fellow human beings - sometimes during a meditation session suddenly a pretty good feeling of happiness/almost absolut safety kicks in ..that is quite amazing and an end in itself - it made my thinking clearer and more structured. - in general reality feels more intense now |
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These are the main benefits I guess. Most of the time, especially during the first year, I felt really bored maybe 60-70% of time during a meditation session. What kept me going was that it really had a positive effect on my anxiety level. ... I know a lot of people who started to give meditation a try, but then stopped soon. I also often don't feel like meditating, but it really helped my anxiety and I don't ever ever ever want to go back to crushing anxiety. What caused your interest in meditation? |
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welt: thanks for sharing your experience. I would love to get myself to meditating everyday. I had a yoga class, which was quite demanding and after every hour we meditated for 5-10 minutes. So, after Yoga I felt much more present and connected to my body, which made meditating feel a lot easier, somehow. And I can say that in these 5-10 minutes i managed to have a break from my everyday, uncontrollable race of thoughts, which helped me alot. When I left the city where I did Yoga I just stopped, unfortunately. Recently, I went to a buddhist meditation group, but that was too hardcore for me. There were a lot of rituals and we had to sit in a very special position for an hour. I had so much pain afterwards, because I wanted to do it "right" that it took me some time to be able to walk again. I hope to find my own way of meditating, that is comfortable for me. I do this because I want to be able to get a grip of the race of thoughts in my head. Yeah, less anxiety, less racing of thoughts, better concentration, better general feeling, you named it. mohamed: Talking about Vipassana: The funny thing is, that I actually applied for a place and I got in but in the end I couldn't go, because I needed to work on a project :/ But I like the idea and I will do this one day, for shure. So u did it twice, already? |
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yup |
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wow! pretty cool! i like the idea of not having any books, music, internet, etc. and that you can't talk to others or even look others in the eyes. that opens yourself up to all the other senses and ways of communication that get suppressed in normal life. how did it got? was it hard for you? |
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you all sound exactly like my mate Colin |
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nope not talking to anyone wasnt an issue for me, althought on the second course, on the 6th dat i felt the need to go the teacher and say i wanted to go, for futile reason i invented and ampified in my head as to have an excuse for escape. was scolded by the (female) teacher like a mother, returned to the course, and finished it on the first day of spring and full moon, i remember this detail from the last meditation session we had at 6:00 am the last day, i woke up and when i went outise there was this giant full moon. kind of a happy start for a season. at the third course accomplishment you get some sort of title, but im not doing that anywhere soon |
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very interesting, one friend of mine had to stop, another one cried for the first time in years, another guy i met, talked about how awesome it was and how much influence it had on him, but then just went back to smoking a lot of weed everyday doing not much more. but i think he's fine, now. maybe it takes some time, afterwards. not that i think that people will come out, being something totally different. but it must have some impact. what did u get from it? |
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Regarding the buddhist-class. It sounds like it wouldn't have been for me, either. To me it seems quite useful to make a very clear distinction between (a) meditation-techniques as such and (b) surrounding beliefs and rituals. The most basic meditation-techniques such as following a mantra are very down-to-earth, in a way. You just sit down, follow the mantra, do it for a time, then get up, and that's it. It's in a way as simple and "normal" as doing push-ups. Of course it might be beneficial to treat the meditation-technique as part of a more vast practice and word-view. But I think it's really important to keep in mind that all that is NOT necessary to sit down and meditate and get the main-benefits. It can be distracting becuase it makes meditation seem much more complex than it is. .... Well, at least keeping it simple like that works for me. Hope you'll have a good experience at the next meditation class! |
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well it is not a life changer, but i learned it afterwards. and it didnt save me for going mad when my mother died, but having a second thought, it could have been worse without, and now that i dont meditate cos it fear the thoughts to become too much 'consistent' at the auditory level in a state of everthing asleep apart the mind, i prefer to apply the technique intellectually, not to do indulge too on much on second thoughts but just to observe and let pass/ go and shit, try to keep my mind as strong as i can, also with the help of some tip of some friend here at xlt i always keep in mind. |
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welt: thanks! the person doing it, looks nice and wrote some nice stuff. i think it will be a good one. i also want to keep it simple. i try to keep everything in my life simple mohamed: i remember your story from the other thread(s), i think you're doing great and i understand you much better, now best |
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Nice to see some genuine niceness in here for a change |
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thanks |
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