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hi! in about one month, i will play my first live performance, and i think i need some help from ppl who are experienced in playing live. my setup is an atariST as sequencer, a sampler, a drummachine and a synth. the PROBLEM is, that i can't play two songs in a row without interruption, because i have to load a new arrangement in the st and a new sample bank into the sampler. this rpcedure takes about 30 seconds (because the smartmedia port of the sampler is so slow..). so, i thought maybe it's a good idea to play one song with the equipment, and then, while loading the next song, play some ambient-like noise from cd. and then the next song. but.. i thing song->noise->song->noise->song... would sound strange :/ or i play one song with the exuipment and then one from cd. and then with the equipment.. and so on. bah that sucks ;) luzid |
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hmmm..... beschreib mal dein midi setup...was für nen sampler, drummachine ? wer ist der master ? programmwechsel etc. ? |
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ich würd nen pc bei live aufritten nich empfehlen, kann dich böse hauen |
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How about pre-record a load of 30/40 second little tracks to a tape then play this into the mix whilst the new song is loading? If you are really obsessive, record the last 30 seconds of each song to tape or md then play that at the right time and stop the one playing on the ST. Using an atariST sounds pretty cool. |
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also wenn ich es jemals schaff, live richtig auch LIVE zu manipulieren, würd ich 1. kleine songs verwenden, mehr patterns change nutzen, ebenso programm change, mit sysex meldungen meine dr770 drummachine auf master und slave switchen (ebenso den alesis mmt8 sequenzer) 2. midi controller für den klangverlauf und manipulation der samples nutzen.... bei den pausen würd ich was lockeres reinfaden... und dann schnell dein zeug konfigurieren, den pc nur als sample transmit und sysex messages brauchen, vielleicht auch als softsynth... |
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hi naja midimässig ist es halt der atari als sequencer, von da aus in eine midi-thru box, und da sind halt die drei machines dran. sampler: zoom st 224. der ist das problem, weil ich halt fuer jeden song eine neue samplebank von ner smartmedia card laden muss, und das dauert ca 30 sek. drummachine: yamaha rx 17. macht halt bum bum, da gibts nix einzustellen ;) synth: mb33, ein billiger 303 nachbau. und pc: richtig :) ich will auch auf keinen fall einen pc live benutzen, weil da zu viel schiefgehen kann. ein atari ST mit cubase ist irgendwie fuer mich das beste, weil: wenn der einmal läuft, dann läuft er. also die frage ist jetzt: was mach ich während des 30sek ladevorganges am sampler? luzid |
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u gonna release any singles luzid? heyyy this is the bobsters' 300th post! |
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bei den 30 sekunden ? ich würde kurze patterns abspielen beim dr, wenn du knöpfe zum die patterns zu wechseln würd ich das ausnutzen, brutal schnelle, aber locker, lo-fi patterns, ein bisschen xperimentieren... |
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Hi luzid!! I have no experience in performing live but i say that a interuption is not always a bad thing. The interuption will give the audience some time to breathe and say stuff like " that was a whicked track!!" to each other and to show you some apreciation. I say do your ambient cd thing but a few silent pauses is not so bad. Good Luck. |
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ceri: well, that's actually what i wanted to do. record some small songs to a cd (not tape, because i don't even have a tape recorder :)) and play them while i load the new stuff. but somehow i don't like that idea, because it feels like "cheating" for me :/ map: das einzige was ich live mache ist, an den knöpfen vom synth rumzudrehen und an den effekten vom sampler. und manche samples von hand triggern. luid |
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When I play live I always have backup on MD or some other format that I play between the tracks. You could always let somebody else in on the fun as well and play back to back... I've done that with my brother and its a good thing coz you get to expose two artists instead of one... |
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McBob: no, i will play some live performances and THEN try to release something. i think, a record label will be more impressed, when i can tell "i played live at x y z.." luzid |
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luzid na des is doch perfekt, schneid sonst n'paar drums raus und triggere sie via drummachine, des geht alles... |
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If you have an instrument or stand alone keyboard, play little medleys whilst it's loading. I know what you mean about feeling like you've cheated by using pre-recorded stuff, but even AT has played taped stuff "live" before! |
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map: hm, muss ich mal versuchen was zu basteln ;) and i don't have any stand alone intruments. well, i think the pre-recorded stuff is okay. and if my atari crashes, i can play the whole "live set" from cd and just pretend to do anything on the stage ;) luzid |
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....or hide a mic amongst the audience and fade them in between your tracks...add some feedback and a few effects and you have a winner.... |
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whicked idea!!! |
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or trigger your cutted samples and make new beats, change the pitch, effectsends, reverb, layering, use a midi controller and add the mod wheel to a crash for the note on and off messages, now you can drilling the crash bye using the modwheel ,) |
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That was an idea I had, run into the audience and shove a mic in someone's face then use what they say in a loop for a track :) even if they just said "I can't think of anything to say" you could use it. Better still have a rifle mic and point it at specific people in the crowd you can see are talking then they'll be really freaked out when you play their conversation back over the music. You could even then sample them saying to each other "how did he do that?". Luzid: are you going to play "ventolin (crazy inhaler)"? |
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haha! yes, that IS a great idea. not mine, thought, so i won't steal it ;) but the direction is right. i could just make "live produced weird sounds" between the tracks. d0n |
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Luzid, how did you sort out an event? Did you just ring up club management and play some of your stuff to them? I'd like to play a short set live, once I've got a midi controller... |
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ceri: hm, and if i have bad luck, i have a track with "dude, that music sucks"-vocals ;) and ventolin.. i don't know if i want to hurt the ppl THAT much ;) and ventolin is not really one of my best tracks, although i like it somehow. btw, that track has been made completely on the pc, so i had to play it from cd anyway. map: nein. ich kann nicht während der sampler ne neue bank läd, samples damit spielen. weil ja während des ladens gar keine da sind :) das einzige was ich während des ladens hardwaremässig spielen kann, sind patterns auf der drummachine. luzid |
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"ceri: hm, and if i have bad luck, i have a track with "dude, that music sucks"-vocals ;) " That'd sound really funny, like the "ooh, that's a nasty sound" sample of Rich's mum in Bucephalus bouncing ball. |
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ceri: hm. an ex girlfriend of mine has a friend who will make a party (not in germany, tho), and she gave him a cd with some tracks of mine. he heard it and said "he can play live at that party if he wants." there will be many other ppl playing and djing, and it will be a quite big party. i think i will have an audience of some hundred ppl. and clubs: in my area, there are only damn house clubs, and if i played there, the audience would shout "and now play some MUSIC!" ;) luzid |
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ceri: yeah ;) i was thinking about a track which goes completely mad, and a "hm.. even for me that's too weird now.." sample ;) luzid |
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I wouldn't mind playing a couple of the more weird clubs (Ifor Bach Jonesy and Jedi Chris), but even Metros (would have a few years ago) has become to main stream to play "my kinda music". :( |
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i think, you just need a club with an open minded audience. or at least an audience, which is so closed minded, that they like _everything_ if it's just weird :) in my town, there are just trendy-fag-dico-dance-house clubs :/ luzid |
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But please, luzid, dont ruin your gig with being too concerned about how you think the audience like or dislike your music. Just let yerself go, and give a toss about the idiots that can't appreciate a good gig... |
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yeah, i always think "i hope someone likes my music" :/ but on the gig, i will just do my music, and even if they don't like it, they will think i am insane or something ;) luzid |
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Don't worry, enough people will like it if you just play it the way you like. Don't try to make music to please other people- you usually end up not liking it yourself. |
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yeah, that's true. and at the moment, _I_ like it. but i am very unsure about everything. maybe, my music is COMPLETELY crap. or maybe it's genious. i really can't tell. i just know, that i am making the music i want to make (and it really sounds like i want to. everything is just like i want it to be. and if it sounds crappy, maybe my brain is crappy, too;)) what do you guys think about your own music?` luzid |
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I have the same feeling about my own music very often but I've had so much good feedback that I know I should not care about it. I like to record stuff and leave it and pick it up again later....and often I like it much better when I've sort of gained some distance from it. Its only healthy to be a bit self critical. At least your not one of those over-confident arsholes playing hits and going "unnngh, I'm the son of God...!", like that Dj Bobo that people discused here yesterday.... |
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Well, have a nice weekend! I'm off... |
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thank you for your attention. bye. |
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