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wasnt the EU a churchill legacy? these faux english cunts like farage and dan hannan and peter hitchens - churchill would despise them |
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AMPI one thing is freedom of cult, the other is planting worship buildings like mushrooms in a forest |
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you have to defend the occasional church or it becomes a theocracy |
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the first time ive been to egypt i was 8, immediately noticed the contrast between the splendor of the mosques (cairo is called the city of the 2000 mosques) and the decrepitness of the civilian houses |
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means a lot to me |
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ive never seen real poverty. i lived in a liberal country that put human life in high regard. always seemed to me that religions think human life is a dream/test/abomination |
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it's all becoming a bit much, everything. I notice I'm starting to zone out from it all. |
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real poverty as a kid had two effects on me: to amplify the shame i had of myself for other reasons and to gain some compassion. that, more than a building that would make M. C. Escher proud gave me a tad of indulgence with people |
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its when you see amputees crawling on the streets that you make an idea of the level of civility of a country and/or people, belief |
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and the arabs are not 'champions' (like hillary clinton likes to say) at that |
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hillary is just a kinda weak liberal character trying to manage her words in america. in reality i became convinced she is basically more shrewd about these issues than people say... |
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I especially don't trust politicians who have loads of money. |
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i dont know what liberal means, but for sure if some figure in the west wanted to actually help the enslaved arab masses, for sure is not calling their landlords 'champions' |
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so to get back on the subject of this thread, i think taking some distance from authoritarian regimes is hella right at a government level |
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mind you, my knowledge of arab culture is made by empirical observation, and not ascertained with certainty. |
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I live in the Netherlands |
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you crossed. my line. of debt you haven't dismantled your MX stockpile! Seems Turkey wants to agitate its forces within your borders. that's it, buster!!!! no more military aids |
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Nothing at all happened outside of the handful of protesters in the provice of Holland. Some speak of a distant civil war but I recon it's just going to peter out after voting day (which is this Wednesday). After that let's just give people music and good jobs so they'll find a new meaning in life. |
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Who will be next PM droplet? cause i wanna know for sure!! |
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I would like to draw your attention to the (which should seem familiar to a lot of you), which is a good rule of thumb imo (democratically speaking) 15. Freedom of religion, belief and opinion 1. Everyone has the right to freedom of conscience, religion, thought, belief and opinion. 2. Religious observances may be conducted at state or state-aided institutions, provided that ¬ a. those observances follow rules made by the appropriate public authorities; b. they are conducted on an equitable basis; and c. attendance at them is free and voluntary. 3. a. This section does not prevent legislation recognising ¬ i. marriages concluded under any tradition, or a system of religious, personal or family law; or ii. systems of personal and family law under any tradition, or adhered to by persons professing a particular religion. b. Recognition in terms of paragraph (a) must be consistent with this section and the other provisions of the Constitution. 16. Freedom of expression 1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression, which includes ¬ a. freedom of the press and other media; b. freedom to receive or impart information or ideas; c. freedom of artistic creativity; and d. academic freedom and freedom of scientific research. 2. The right in subsection (1) does not extend to ¬ a. propaganda for war; b. incitement of imminent violence; or c. advocacy of hatred that is based on race, ethnicity, gender or religion, and that constitutes incitement to cause harm. You should stand up for these rights but imo be reasonable about it, not like a SJW (sometimes I read my posts on here and I think fuck I am a social justice warrior). |
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Don’t be afraid to throw rocks when you need to (literally and figuratively). The world’s greatest enemy is anger, and it is so easy to stir. I’m sorry if I sound like a stereotypical hippy or something or super left or however you want to classify me or anyone within your respective political framework. We should be careful not to be distracted from the real issues! (whatever they may be) In my country Islam is a minority religion (1.5% of the total population) Where I live 6.6% of the total population (even higher in my immediate area I think) I always found Islam to be a comforting presence in the streets. I find the morning music peaceful and when I see men praying it doesn’t make me uncomfortable (On that note: I wonder about Muslim women because I have met a few, and as much as they are usually super hot, they certainly don’t seem oppressed at all– though I don’t really know – it’s not like I would ask). TL;DR Be nice to each other and give Islam a chance (at least to those who want to practice it peacefully). It is not entirely impossible for differing ideologies to co-exist within the same society and not all Muslims are out to kill you! Although there are those that certainly do). It is admittedly a struggle but righting (sorry I mean fighting) against multiculturalism is so stupid and old hat *facepalm |
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"Give Islam a chance...." I don't even know where to vomit. A chance to do what? |
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either you have to tolerate religions or...i mean whats the alternative here? |
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its not wrong to say islam has taken a mile. i wouldnt wear a Give Islam A Chance hat right now for sure |
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Does Islam *need* a helping hand? On one hand they're a minority, on the other they're a third of the world's population. Back when these laudable dictates about "freedom of religion" were being written I don't think they had in mind the freedom of aggressive nationalism and extremism under the guise of religion. Some folksy imam wandering around talking shit about a goat god might have been OK, but a pack of the cunts demanding their own 4th Century desert laws be imported into your culture....? If Islam's the religion of peace, do a Google search on "peace"? No fucking Islam, is there? And there's no greater liberal god than Google. |
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'I don't think they had in mind the freedom of aggressive nationalism and extremism under the guise of religion.' yes they did. shame you hold their work in such low regard cos they are the only reason we've ever experienced an enlightenment |
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Really? So why have they not had an enlightenment? |
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what? muslims? they dont have an enlightenment because they dont believe in enlightenment - they believe in islam. |
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i've been to utrecht before, very nice town full of blonde people on bicycles, good bars but the dutch are very rude and steal your tables and chairs at the bar |
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there isnt enlightenment but there is misticism |
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Well I'm glad we fucking cleared that up then. |
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If "right wing" elements were agitating a fraction of what Islamists like ErDOGan do, you'd be shitting all over each other to decry it. I'd have more time for your views if I, for a second, believed you'd even vaguely thought it through. |
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turdogan |
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recep erdogan = gonad creeper |
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Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, the Kims of NK - no religion, not even Christianity, has killed as many as the Religion of Atheism. Islam has a lot of catching up to do. |
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Sure, if you're only counting from the last 60 odd years... |
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I saw a video where hitchens refuted that point quite well, |
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Nice Dutchman's Clock fallacy, guys. Not rational! You think about your mamas with those brains? |
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i think its a bit disingenuous to call atheism a religion |
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i think he was a cherry picking a bit i admit |
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I think anyone would be hard pressed to say atheistic thinking was the prime motivation behind historical atrocities, its much easier to find evidence for stuff like papal decrees for the crusades and stuff like that |
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even then though i think it was a political convenience to bring religion into the argument to kill people you dont like, so im not convinced religion is all that evil either, its just a rather elaborate excuse to be shitty to people |
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do we have any members of the god squad on this forum? |
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signedup im basically ur side you dont even kno it. hyperflake u are right get more into hitchens. listen to sam harris. and remember i mentioned oliver kamm "Much has been made in the past couple of years about the divergence of political views between Hitchens and Chomsky, who were formerly (and perhaps still are) friends, but also significant is the difference – which is longstanding – in the quality of their writing. Chomsky is didactic, tedious, pretentious, hyperbolic and absurd; Hitchens is often regarded as hyperbolic also, but he is in reality deliberately understated and effectively ironic, owing in part at least to his deep appreciation of English literature." |
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you guys have to figure out what liberty actually is. a lot of words like liberty and facism ect have become really flabby ive noticed hardly anyone applying them properly. islam is a religion liberty is not a religion. liberty is a system that explicitly denies that we are slaves of unaccountable masters like god. we have the option as individuals to believe in god if we wish but thats a different matter |
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Atheists at risk of dying out due to belief in contraception, study claims |
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thats a poorly written headline if there ever was one |
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not having a go at you by the way, just the headline |
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