I AM WATCHING YOU
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-18 16:58 [#02513441]
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perhaps god is taking some time off to be a mote of dust under someones skirting board, like his idea of a package holiday
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2017-02-18 17:02 [#02513442]
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you get the difference between being cynical and being critical?
being critical is good deciding what is right and wrong gives you agency. you can change things get a grip of this world, find out what YOU believe in (dont need god).
being cynical is bad youve decided everything is bad already. its lazy. no analysis just confirmed cyclical downward slope into a single beliefe (this world is rotten - and maybe we need god)
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2017-02-18 17:04 [#02513443]
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No, I'm saying that we can't trust our intuition about anything greater than making tea. We've developed extensive logical, social, judicial, mathematical and scientific systems to overcome our incredibly bad intuitive judgment.
The problem with political systems and movements is that people join them because of how they make them feel, and for their completely irrational expectations of what they will bring.
A major problem progressives face is in conjuring a future no one's ever seen, whereas the reactionary right can easily conjure visions of a "heartwarming" past, no matter how false (and horrific, upon closer inspection) it may be.
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-18 17:08 [#02513446]
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yeah i suppose being over cynical leaves you in a state of inaction
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2017-02-18 17:12 [#02513448]
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yeah if we went on our intuition we'd be at our worst. human intuition told me when i was young that my ball bag was actually the bit with the urine so i used to squeeze it to pee.
the thing with politics is its tricky to get the whole thing to to be properly discussed. but the moment everyone starts talking about politics properly and testing eachothers ideas i believe everything gets really good very quickly.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2017-02-18 17:13 [#02513449]
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Ampi, did you see that Adam Curtis doco All Watched Over By Machines Of Loving Grace? Curtis is to be taken with many grains of salt, but I think he was onto some shit about the ideology of spontaneously emergent harmony. I keep thinking about that hippie commune, where bullies dominated others, but got away with it because any formal system of justice was seen as a bring down, maaaan.
So here's an example of intuition being wrong - "the system" is a bring down, it harshes my buzz, man, but in the end a formal institution of law results in far greater freedom, for more poeple, despite all the intuitively appealing songs, stories and poems about shrugging it all off and flying aways free as a bird. I mean, that's ALL OF POPULAR CULTURE from like the mid-60s onward. All the comic books, Star Wars, Hunger Games, everything, all beautiful lies.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2017-02-18 17:14 [#02513450]
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Ahahhahaa! The bodily humors - blood, bile, phlegm and pee.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2017-02-18 17:17 [#02513451]
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but the moment everyone starts talking about politics properly and testing eachothers ideas i believe everything gets really good very quickly.
Hence the youtube comments section is Man's greatest achievement.
But seriously this is why philosophers write dialogues, participate in symposiums, publish in peer reviewed journals and that.
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2017-02-18 20:20 [#02513454]
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can someone sum up this thread in one post?
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2017-02-18 20:27 [#02513455]
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like 'step up your game'
or
'we're all meant to be slaves'
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2017-02-18 21:07 [#02513461]
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god is just one of many competing techniques to manage information in the brain. i'm tempted to start listing others but that will get silly hard off topic fast
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-18 22:44 [#02513463]
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Perhaps 'nonsense is the only sense'? There's a lot to reflect on in this thread. I think there's some truth to the coping mechanism part. It could simply be a new type of propaganda themed humor. Like "the earth is flat" or "god puts his finger in everyone's butthole", that becomes the core of your idiocy strem, you sculpt lies and spin around it until it's true. Perhaps the goal is to make the least true things true. I think weev was so intelligent and bored that he decided to first spin every idea that proposed itself to his brain 90 degrees or so. So he has built up a neural network of an alternate information reality, based on different weird axioms than the ones normally found in reality, just for self amusement. He only speaks in lies, but every lie is truth based on his alternate axioms.
Cynicism might be partly an art piece, I don't know because the memes are so complex now that they are their own living things.
"so to say this whole world is shit is easier than actually picking out the shitty bits to make the world better."
I think the main shitty bit is we have a class of people who exempt themselves from the non aggression principle, the state. There should only be one universal law, that you can't initiate force, it is only legitimate in self defense. Punishing anyone for a victimless crime is itself a crime. This is the next memetic wave. I mean they found a paranoid schizophrenic and chose to augment him as the first artilect, alex jones, just as a weird social experiment. They're making all the first artilects all the weirdos, I mean someone with down syndrome, a kleptomaniac, maybe a necrophiliac, etc. And you give these people the first brain augmenting chips, just to see how it will fuck up the whole memetic landscape. Oh yeah, so watch yt: anarchast, adam kokesh, larken rose, peaceful anarchism. Those are the next memetic antivirus. Either that or another mind virus, or russian propagandists trying to weaken the government by spreading anarchy to make it easier to overth
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-18 23:43 [#02513465]
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Here's another art piece I made. Notice how everything logically leads to an absolutely insane last sentence. It's sort of just giving up and letting insanity be the truth, sort of for entertainment I guess:
The irony is that their full spectrum rigged system made it impossible for me to replicate my immortal coil. So the future will only contain their children. I have no stake in the future, genetically, so everything I do is altrustic toward creating a better future for theirkids. But they are self haters who hate their own genetic line, which is understandable because of the survival of the least fit, so they actually want what is worst for their children. They know the road to hell is paved with good intentions so they deliberately have good intentions. Only people with bad intentions can be trusted.
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-18 23:46 [#02513466]
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i believe in God. It's a marvelous feeling to switch your brain off and just think, yeah, why not.
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-18 23:48 [#02513467]
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Don't question it, go with the main one of your family or birth region, or maybe eleswhere if you feel a serious affinity.
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-19 00:09 [#02513469]
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heh, w M w u know weev?
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-19 01:00 [#02513475]
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No, I've been a fan of his art, you never know if he's trolling or not. But its risky talking about him like voldemort because he can easilly black hat hack your testicles with botnet armies.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-19 03:58 [#02513480]
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Here's some more "white propaganda". I think 20 people have half the world's wealth:
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-19 06:46 [#02513485]
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he should never have been taken to court. that's it, done. Not a crime, it wasn't even him who ran the scraper. .. He gets 3 years.
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-19 06:51 [#02513486]
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are they are fucking asking for it?
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SignedUpToLOL
from Zuckuss fanfiction (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-19 09:37 [#02513487]
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I am all into Afro Space Consciousness and flying Pyramids, Rocket Obelisks and mind-expanding jazz freak outs.
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truthgong
on 2017-02-19 10:28 [#02513488]
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you can loosely apply the concept to the practical outlook that consciousness is not an emergent phenomenon, but rather the ego-patterns of an evolved organism are the emergent phenomenon imposing themselves on the ambient consciousness.
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SignedUpToLOL
from Zuckuss fanfiction (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-19 10:31 [#02513489]
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I'm all about rolling the dice and letting the chips fall where they may.
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-19 12:24 [#02513493]
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i feel a higher power gnawing at me sometimes, it isnt god in the traditional sense, its something beyond my comprehension, i think we all feel it very occasionally, perhaps its just a trick of the mind
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SignedUpToLOL
from Zuckuss fanfiction (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-19 12:44 [#02513494]
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I'm all about ancient wisdom, nature and esoteric sex divining.
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-19 12:46 [#02513495]
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yeah druids and beltane and stuff, kinky sex masks of animal gods, having drug induced sex with multiple women on an altar of leopard skin, i could go in for that
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-19 13:13 [#02513496]
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does anyone else get vibes from trees when walking through a forest, i know i should like a hippy but its true, i feel like im on some sort of great drug when i go out in nature
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SignedUpToLOL
from Zuckuss fanfiction (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-19 13:24 [#02513499]
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I'm all about being relentlessly modernist and finding rapture in concrete and shopping centres. I'm all about Ballard and flyover fetishism.
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RussellDust
on 2017-02-19 14:38 [#02513506]
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Come on, you're an absolute fanboy.
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2017-02-19 16:05 [#02513509]
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i believe in God. It's a marvelous feeling to switch your brain off and just think, yeah, why not.
am constitutionally incapable of doing this. as soon as i spot a single hole in the flyintmint it's ruined. cannot unsee. this one flaw ruins it for me forever. then i spot a second
roughly, i surmise that consciousness is an emergent property of concentrated information. past a certain complexity threshold, the structure needs to begin to refer to itself, and you eventually hit it off with a spiraling pocket of data that gets larger and larger and larger. how does one know which insurance company to pick? well, asking "god" is not a bad strategy. your subconscious mind offers a best guess, and it'll be right enough to make it livable. but then you'll always do better if you actually do your homework rather than pass of responsibility
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Indeksical
from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-19 16:07 [#02513510]
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Thought the thread title was going to be 'ghosts'. Disappointing.
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2017-02-19 16:10 [#02513511]
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i suppose i am calling belief in God an intellectually lazy approach. but then, one man's lazy is another man's just right
do as thou walrus shalt be the crow of the caw.
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