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offline RussellDust on 2017-02-18 16:24 [#02513421]
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You don't know how 'we' think though. I see a lot of varying
opinions.

What do "we" have in common in our thinking that it is you
don't like?


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2017-02-18 16:27 [#02513422]
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i think you and wmw are too cynical:
- this world is just cruel memetics and farts
- free world kills for oil and influence and can never do
anything good not even bosnia. real life bad guys out there
to stop? not interested sounds like another war 4 oil mate

those two things basically are on the same tier of depressed
cyncism for me.





 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2017-02-18 16:29 [#02513423]
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i see most of these opinions in a certain genre or category.
still trying to describe it but its part of a package of
cynical beliefs



 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2017-02-18 16:33 [#02513424]
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some small mistakes in ur thinking

But that's just it, they're not small mistakes. Thinking
itself is fundamentally flawed by cognitive biases. The
really fucked up thing is that we couldn't survive without
letting those biases have their way with us, for the most
part. See Kahneman's Thinking Fast and Slow about system 1
and 2 thinking, also Nietzsche in BGE where he speaks about
the false as a necessary condition:

4. The falseness of an opinion is not for us any
objection to it: it is here, perhaps, that our new language
sounds most strangely. The question is, how far an opinion
is life-furthering, life- preserving, species-preserving,
perhaps species-rearing, and we are fundamentally inclined
to maintain that the falsest opinions (to which the
synthetic judgments a priori belong), are the most
indispensable to us, that without a recognition of logical
fictions, without a comparison of reality with the purely
IMAGINED world of the absolute and immutable, without a
constant counterfeiting of the world by means of numbers,
man could not live--that the renunciation of false opinions
would be a renunciation of life, a negation of life. TO
RECOGNISE UNTRUTH AS A CONDITION OF LIFE; that is certainly
to impugn the traditional ideas of value in a dangerous
manner, and a philosophy which ventures to do so, has
thereby alone placed itself beyond good and evil.



 

offline RussellDust on 2017-02-18 16:35 [#02513425]
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I agree that cynicism isn't a good thing. It doesn't mean
society reflects positively.


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2017-02-18 16:37 [#02513426]
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right exactly. criticism of this world and how we act in it
is essential. but cynicism is not useful.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2017-02-18 16:40 [#02513427]
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- this world is just cruel memetics and farts

That's what the essay on Medium I posted talks about.

- free world kills for oil and influence and can never do
anything good not even bosnia. real life bad guys out there
to stop? not interested sounds like another war 4 oil mate


I think this is why the dirtbag left is hysterically trying
to ignore Russia, and would rather keep gumming and sucking
the remains of Clinton's campaign and how she messed it up
by not campaigning in the rust belt. i tell you it's spooky.



 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2017-02-18 16:40 [#02513428]
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sry what dude?


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-18 16:42 [#02513429]
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i think people who are most cynical are just attempting to
cope, its a coping mechanism i reckon.


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2017-02-18 16:44 [#02513430]
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yes the rightwing are getting big on cynicism


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2017-02-18 16:45 [#02513431]
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Kahneman


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-18 16:45 [#02513432]
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yes i think this is the correct thing what your saying


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2017-02-18 16:46 [#02513433]
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i agree. its also a lazy way to seem like ur being accurate
and critical.
so to say this whole world is shit is easier than actually
picking out the shitty bits to make the world better.
everyone is doing it.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2017-02-18 16:46 [#02513434]
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And what is the "left" offering?


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2017-02-18 16:47 [#02513435]
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but sorry were you just saying grand truth claims are bad
and we should be cool about untruth being a condition of
life? that sort of thing?


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-18 16:49 [#02513436]
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yeah in the end it doesnt really get you anywhere being
moribund an cynical constantly, its a waste of time


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2017-02-18 16:49 [#02513437]
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its offering nothing. exactly. all it has is cynicism about
our system (which does quite well for popularity) - but the
rightwing are doing it way better


 

offline RussellDust on 2017-02-18 16:55 [#02513438]
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I guess God is a right wing male, to keep things in
context.

 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-18 16:58 [#02513441]
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perhaps god is taking some time off to be a mote of dust
under someones skirting board, like his idea of a package
holiday


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2017-02-18 17:02 [#02513442]
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you get the difference between being cynical and being
critical?
being critical is good deciding what is right and
wrong gives you agency. you can change things get a grip of
this world, find out what YOU believe in (dont need god).
being cynical is bad youve decided everything is bad
already. its lazy. no analysis just confirmed cyclical
downward slope into a single beliefe (this world is rotten -
and maybe we need god)


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2017-02-18 17:04 [#02513443]
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No, I'm saying that we can't trust our intuition about
anything greater than making tea. We've developed extensive
logical, social, judicial, mathematical and scientific
systems to overcome our incredibly bad intuitive judgment.

The problem with political systems and movements is that
people join them because of how they make them feel, and for
their completely irrational expectations of what they will
bring.

A major problem progressives face is in conjuring a future
no one's ever seen, whereas the reactionary right can easily
conjure visions of a "heartwarming" past, no matter how
false (and horrific, upon closer inspection) it may be.


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-18 17:08 [#02513446]
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yeah i suppose being over cynical leaves you in a state of
inaction


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2017-02-18 17:12 [#02513448]
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yeah if we went on our intuition we'd be at our worst. human
intuition told me when i was young that my ball bag was
actually the bit with the urine so i used to squeeze it to
pee.

the thing with politics is its tricky to get the whole thing
to to be properly discussed. but the moment everyone starts
talking about politics properly and testing eachothers ideas
i believe everything gets really good very quickly.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2017-02-18 17:13 [#02513449]
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Ampi, did you see that Adam Curtis doco All Watched Over By
Machines Of Loving Grace? Curtis is to be taken with many
grains of salt, but I think he was onto some shit about the
ideology of spontaneously emergent harmony. I keep thinking
about that hippie commune, where bullies dominated others,
but got away with it because any formal system of justice
was seen as a bring down, maaaan.

So here's an example of intuition being wrong - "the system"
is a bring down, it harshes my buzz, man, but in the end a
formal institution of law results in far greater freedom,
for more poeple, despite all the intuitively appealing
songs, stories and poems about shrugging it all off and
flying aways free as a bird. I mean, that's ALL OF POPULAR
CULTURE from like the mid-60s onward. All the comic books,
Star Wars, Hunger Games, everything, all beautiful lies.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2017-02-18 17:14 [#02513450]
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Ahahhahaa! The bodily humors - blood, bile, phlegm and pee.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2017-02-18 17:17 [#02513451]
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but the moment everyone starts talking about politics
properly and testing eachothers ideas i believe everything
gets really good very quickly.


Hence the youtube comments section is Man's greatest
achievement.

But seriously this is why philosophers write dialogues,
participate in symposiums, publish in peer reviewed journals
and that.



 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2017-02-18 20:20 [#02513454]
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can someone sum up this thread in one post?


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2017-02-18 20:27 [#02513455]
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like 'step up your game'

or

'we're all meant to be slaves'


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2017-02-18 21:07 [#02513461]
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god is just one of many competing techniques to manage
information in the brain. i'm tempted to start listing
others but that will get silly hard off topic fast


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-18 22:44 [#02513463]
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Perhaps 'nonsense is the only sense'?
There's a lot to reflect on in this thread.
I think there's some truth to the coping mechanism part. It
could simply be a new type of propaganda themed humor. Like
"the earth is flat" or "god puts his finger in everyone's
butthole", that becomes the core of your idiocy strem, you
sculpt lies and spin around it until it's true. Perhaps the
goal is to make the least true things true. I think weev was
so intelligent and bored that he decided to first spin every
idea that proposed itself to his brain 90 degrees or so. So
he has built up a neural network of an alternate information
reality, based on different weird axioms than the ones
normally found in reality, just for self amusement. He only
speaks in lies, but every lie is truth based on his
alternate axioms.

Cynicism might be partly an art piece, I don't know because
the memes are so complex now that they are their own living
things.
"so to say this whole world is shit is easier than actually
picking out the shitty bits to make the world better."
I think the main shitty bit is we have a class of people who
exempt themselves from the non aggression principle, the
state. There should only be one universal law, that you
can't initiate force, it is only legitimate in self defense.
Punishing anyone for a victimless crime is itself a crime.
This is the next memetic wave. I mean they found a paranoid
schizophrenic and chose to augment him as the first
artilect, alex jones, just as a weird social experiment.
They're making all the first artilects all the weirdos, I
mean someone with down syndrome, a kleptomaniac, maybe a
necrophiliac, etc. And you give these people the first brain
augmenting chips, just to see how it will fuck up the whole
memetic landscape. Oh yeah, so watch yt: anarchast, adam
kokesh, larken rose, peaceful anarchism. Those are the next
memetic antivirus. Either that or another mind virus, or
russian propagandists trying to weaken the government by
spreading anarchy to make it easier to overth


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-18 23:43 [#02513465]
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Here's another art piece I made. Notice how everything
logically leads to an absolutely insane last sentence. It's
sort of just giving up and letting insanity be the truth,
sort of for entertainment I guess:

The irony is that their full spectrum rigged system made it
impossible for me to replicate my immortal coil. So the
future will only contain their children. I have no
stake in the future, genetically, so everything I do is
altrustic toward creating a better future for
theirkids. But they are self haters who hate their
own genetic line, which is understandable because of the
survival of the least fit, so they actually want what is
worst for their children. They know the road to hell is
paved with good intentions so they deliberately have good
intentions. Only people with bad intentions can be trusted.


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-18 23:46 [#02513466]
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i believe in God. It's a marvelous feeling to switch your
brain off and just think, yeah, why not.


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-18 23:48 [#02513467]
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Don't question it, go with the main one of your family or
birth region, or maybe eleswhere if you feel a serious
affinity.


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-19 00:09 [#02513469]
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heh, w M w u know weev?


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-19 01:00 [#02513475]
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No, I've been a fan of his art, you never know if he's
trolling or not. But its risky talking about him like
voldemort because he can easilly black hat hack your
testicles with botnet armies.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-19 03:58 [#02513480]
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Here's some more "white propaganda". I think 20 people have
half the world's wealth:
LAZY_TITLE


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-19 06:46 [#02513485]
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he should never have been taken to court. that's it, done.
Not a crime, it wasn't even him who ran the scraper. .. He
gets 3 years.


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-19 06:51 [#02513486]
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are they are fucking asking for it?


 

offline SignedUpToLOL from Zuckuss fanfiction (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-19 09:37 [#02513487]
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I am all into Afro Space Consciousness and flying Pyramids,
Rocket Obelisks and mind-expanding jazz freak outs.


 

offline truthgong on 2017-02-19 10:28 [#02513488]
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you can loosely apply the concept to the practical outlook
that consciousness is not an emergent phenomenon, but rather
the ego-patterns of an evolved organism are the emergent
phenomenon imposing themselves on the ambient consciousness.


 

offline SignedUpToLOL from Zuckuss fanfiction (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-19 10:31 [#02513489]
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I'm all about rolling the dice and letting the chips fall
where they may.


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-19 12:24 [#02513493]
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i feel a higher power gnawing at me sometimes, it isnt god
in the traditional sense, its something beyond my
comprehension, i think we all feel it very occasionally,
perhaps its just a trick of the mind


 

offline SignedUpToLOL from Zuckuss fanfiction (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-19 12:44 [#02513494]
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I'm all about ancient wisdom, nature and esoteric sex
divining.


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-19 12:46 [#02513495]
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yeah druids and beltane and stuff, kinky sex masks of animal
gods, having drug induced sex with multiple women on an
altar of leopard skin, i could go in for that


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-19 13:13 [#02513496]
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does anyone else get vibes from trees when walking through a
forest, i know i should like a hippy but its true, i feel
like im on some sort of great drug when i go out in nature


 

offline SignedUpToLOL from Zuckuss fanfiction (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-19 13:24 [#02513499]
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I'm all about being relentlessly modernist and finding
rapture in concrete and shopping centres. I'm all about
Ballard and flyover fetishism.


 

offline RussellDust on 2017-02-19 14:38 [#02513506]
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Come on, you're an absolute fanboy.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2017-02-19 16:05 [#02513509]
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i believe in God. It's a marvelous feeling to switch your
brain off and just think, yeah, why not.


am constitutionally incapable of doing this. as soon as i
spot a single hole in the flyintmint it's ruined. cannot
unsee. this one flaw ruins it for me forever. then i spot a
second

roughly, i surmise that consciousness is an emergent
property of concentrated information. past a certain
complexity threshold, the structure needs to begin to refer
to itself, and you eventually hit it off with a spiraling
pocket of data that gets larger and larger and larger. how
does one know which insurance company to pick? well, asking
"god" is not a bad strategy. your subconscious mind offers a
best guess, and it'll be right enough to make it livable.
but then you'll always do better if you actually do your
homework rather than pass of responsibility


 

offline Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2017-02-19 16:07 [#02513510]
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Thought the thread title was going to be 'ghosts'.
Disappointing.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2017-02-19 16:10 [#02513511]
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i suppose i am calling belief in God an intellectually lazy
approach. but then, one man's lazy is another man's just
right





do as thou walrus shalt be the crow of the caw.


 


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