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yes its tricky but havnt some come close? |
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ur being pretty fair about that |
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I like the one that's been , from the holocaust museum also |
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i think it's just this man's way of twtter-telling you that the quality of the... oh, never mind |
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Great to see people getting round to finding out just what it is that they've been accusing others of all these years. |
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Going by the list, number 1, since when has the US not been Nationalistic? Sure, it tells every other country not to be nationalistic. But did it just become Nationalistic a fortnight ago with Trump? |
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write a Letter to the Editor sirs, I've read part of one sentence of your article on the holocaust museum and I disagree vehemently, what about |
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Whilst one would rather kill all their own family rather than get into any kind of discussion about the holocaust that involved anything other than silently nodding, I am just saying that this "oooh look, we're going Nationalistic" is hardly a fucking recent development ushered in 2 weeks ago by Trump. |
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We Really Don't Want To Read Beyond That First Point, Do We? |
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And I think people have lost sight of what nationalism actually means, it isn't synonymous with patriotism, it means "born here" and anti-immigrant, and means ethnic uniformity. That wasn't a thing under Obama. However it's the main reason Trump was elected and the core of his messaging. It's also the main reason Brexit happened. |
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I wonder what you get when you merge nationalism, socialism, and fascism... |
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^the great british bake off |
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Ha ha |
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i must admit i laughed at that one myself |
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fleetmouse. when we said fascism has been hard for even serious thinkers to understand, did you really think it was this list that would settle the debate? its not a particularly helpful list. people are already seeming to find it useful to approximate trump as hitler. and i really dont want to insult you but isnt this list like...like how fascism is described to school children? |
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...about people using sloppy thinking and vague definitions to accuse others of 'nazism' 'We have to ask ourselves whether what is needed in the United States is dissent – or denazification. The question is a debatable one. Reasonable people may differ. The fact that the question is even debatable is a terrifying thing. To me it seems that what is needed is a kind of denazification.' |
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This must be the End Times; I understand what Ampi Max just said (not saying I agree or disagree, just that it was coherent) |
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I am aware, thank you, of the distinction between Nationalism and Patriotism. I maintain that the US has always considered itself superior. Nationalism. Don't think that changed under Obama. Don't think it suddenly became "a thing" with Trump. |
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some thing to consider with fascism: to call it nationalistic is not really correct at all. fascism has a global vision of struggle and destiny. fascism wants the whole world to change (not just germany for example). nations are in the way of this change because they moderate the world and set rules and regulations against a flesh on flesh struggle for dominance - thats what a race war is |
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Regards Brexit, I would say since the 50s Britain has largely welcomed immigrants and influences from abroad, what with the Commonwealth and that. Listen to the music produced in the country in the 60s, 70s and 80s (music mid 90s onward not work a wank, obvs). Obviously not without some hiccups along the way but what country on earth has ever welcomed en masse people from outside with barely a flutter? Anecdotally, Americans have been amazed for decades about Britain's lack of segregation or apartheid conditions, still very much prevalent in the Utopian (up until a fortnight ago, apparently), we're all immigrants, US. There are many reasons for Brexit and they're not all "old white heterosexual males" kicking their toys out of their stair-lifts. I believe the orchestrated mass "refugee" crisis played a significant role. People can see with their own eyes that some shifty 30 year old is not a "child refugee". Maybe one matured early, maybe a couple. All of them...? This country was going along pretty well until the liberal elite and globalists decided things weren't happening quick enough, and decided to accelerate immigration and cultural displacement. We can see what's happening in Sweden, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Greece, Italy. OK? "Oooh, they're all racists, it's about Islamophobia. If only we could somehow clone Idris Elba, splice him with that woman who won Bake Off and replace them all. Then we'd have an endless source of Black Sherlock, Black Dr Who and Downton Mosque" |
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orchestrated? liberal elite? globalists? this kind of language is...everywhere you guys please listen. rather than talking about building a strong and superior nation being the warning signs for fascism - i'd say keep an eye on this talk about elites and globalists. what do you think the nazis meant when they said this stuff? they said this stuff about globalists and orchestration all the time they called it the jewish menace. is all this news to you? oh look theres ISIS talking about the global elites and israel. cmon guys please figure this out |
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guys is there anyone who isnt raving about the elite? brexit right trump right euro right jeremy corbyn leftists everywhere muslim bombers they are all talking about the elites. this what happened 100 years ago not 'nationalism'. jew were the 'elite' bourgeois was the 'elite' EU (set up to stop war churchill legacy) is 'elite' |
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brexiteers arent nationalists at all. thats why they talk like american libertarians and love trump. 'the EU is a totalitarian superstate or like probably will be one day'. nahhh i dont believe them when they say they are patriots not one bit. |
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churchill would think trump and farage were such fucking cunts |
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seems like when its someone trying to rally against the elites nowadays its actually the elites saying it without sense of irony, farage is obviously some ones little political pawn i can sense it |
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they have co-opted this conspiratorial language/mind set to suit their own ends, its quite fiendish really, using 10% fact to give themselves some credibility then just lie all the way to the finish line |
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This is a balanced, measured article by Private Eye's editor Ian Hislop on offence, Trump, Orwell, post-truth, "fascists", free speech etc. Though as it doesn't call for the "punching of Nazis" it'll probably be regarded as being collaborationist propaganda and the author Lord Haw Haw. |
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What would you call George Soros if not a elite globalist? A kindly philanthropist who just happened to massively short the pound, and get involved in, among other places, Ukraine, you know, like regular "non-elite" people do. |
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Orchestrated refugee crisis; yes. Where did all these dirt poor people get $1000's to pay people smugglers? Are NGOs involved in bringing them over, yes? Who is paying them? Why are they paying them? You don't have to be a MASSIVE conspiracy theorist to come to the conclusion that it doesn't quite add up. |
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The only reason the US went "anti-Nazi" was because it wanted a stable Europe to trade with and provide a buffer against the Russians. Had circumstances played out slightly differently they'd have thrown Britain and France under the fucking bus. |
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what a can of worms. so it has been orchestrated. youre saying that elites such as soros are managing a sclerotic and impossibly huge human world, as if moving pieces on a chess board... well im just warning you thats very dangerous thinking. |
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tell me what did u read about soros and ukraine? is george soros twitter. is the benign thing an act for the bluepilled? he dosnt really care about slovakia hes just doing it to control the masses and stuff? if you threw a stone youd hit someone who thought so. thats for sure. |
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But globalism, globalists is an accepted concept. It's not like saying the Illuminati or The Hidden Hand or Shape Changing Lizards. Are you seriously suggesting there is no drive to further globalisation? No global policy driven chiefly by the US and the EU? How difficult would it be to tempt the whole of Africa and the Middle East into Europe if you had enough cash, iPhones and promise of free housing to wave in front of them? You wouldn't need any vast "chess game" - you just need the money and the will to do it. |
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A kindly old man worried about kids running from Syria getting a chance to study doesn't invest his money in multiple NGOs interfering in the Ukraine agitating for war against Russia. |
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always imagined u as a fan of the thick of it. well its basically like that. the elite is made of human beings fudging along and probably trying there best to do the right things. they have to work seriously hard to even get some changes made to gun law, or get guantanamo closed down - these things failed for example. but you and many many other people imagine these guys have the time and superhuman brainpower to synchronise world events and bend everybodies will with money and influence. theres cases where it happens sure...but its no good to see devils everywhere all the time what did u read about soros and ukraine |
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what did you read about ukraine? |
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another british putinite says ukraine poked russia another drop in that particular bucket then oh look its getting pretty full |
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I don't believe there's one group of people on a mission to do one thing. I believe there are powerful people, in terms of influence, position, and money, who broadly have the same view and will take advantage of events, or attempt to shape events, to suit this goal. And then there are plenty of useful idiots that will join paid marches, agitate online, join NGOs, become activists, join charities, that will help this along - all of course not knowing what they are doing. I am not giving you one single link to any story about Soros and Ukraine (just one of his playgrounds) because I am not prepared, on a Friday just before going home time, to have to put up with you howling that because it's not reported in the Guardian or Huff Post it must be fake news. If you think Soros had nothing to do with Ukraine, or what he did do was just charitable, then there really is no point going any further into it. |
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minge |
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After WWII the US and Russia were both pushing their own goals at a global level - and some events they directly instigated, and some they took advantage of. In a lot of the same areas (Iran, Syria, Eastern Europe). It's the same today. |
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be fair you know i hate huffpo |
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anyone who thinks ukraine made russia angry is the same as someone who says charlie hebdo made islam shooty |
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member when the russians shot down the polish president and then pretended they didnt |
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Putin seems truly Machiavellian, i admire him in a way, you can tell he has a kgb mind set as he is very rarely openly aggressive, bloody ruthless though with the polonium stuff |
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ive no doubt he is playing a large part in destabilising the western hemisphere, its his modus operandii, well its bleeding obvious its what he is doing |
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im glad u agree. did u check chomsky? |
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you mean about the balkans thing, its on my backlog of reading, i probably shouldnt read too much political stuff it ends up driving you crazy |
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yeah i reckon he is taking advantage of a couple of decades of comparative weakness, he would be foolish not to i suppose if he is determined to roll back nato from his boarders |
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hyperflake take a look at [#02512009] its a small post i linked to there. what do you think? do you see why i bring up chomsky in relation to the problems we have these days? |
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^ yes its over used phrase so can loose its potency, also its not helpful to describe things that aren't specifically nazi as nazi. |
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