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wavephace
from off the chain on 2016-11-09 21:36 [#02507309]
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LAZY_TITLE https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1120
so clinton and the media basicly pumped up donald trump over the other republicans cuz they thought he would be easyest to beat. its frikkin nuts and it will b remembered as 1 of the biggest political strategy fail of alltime
PS i predicted trunps victory based on google trends last month LAZY_TITLE ok i admit i doubted it after nate silver and all the others kept saying the "real" polls r true but i was always saying if thers ever a election where theres a shy tory effect it is this 1. i guess u cant ignore GOOGLE - the poll with the bigest sample size of all!!!!!
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2016-11-09 21:39 [#02507310]
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yeah i think the issue with the polls is america is a vast places and there are tiny towns dotted around everywhere, were the pollsters wont get to, like jerkwater montana or whatever, yes the whole democratic party fucked up they essential gifted this election on a plate
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wavephace
from off the chain on 2016-11-09 21:46 [#02507311]
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1 other shocker is how trump did better w/ hispanics than ronmey did 4 yrs ago. no 1 would of expected that cuz the media was in all out onslaught mode on him with lies about wat he said about mexicans but i guess ppl are waking up 2 how corrupt the media is and how u cant trust them!!!!
not as big of a suprise but he also did better with black ppl than bush in 00 and 04 (and way better than republicans in 08 and 12 but thats not fair cuz he they were vs obama)
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2016-11-09 21:49 [#02507312]
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i think if Hillary hadnt done the email thing she would have won easily, but the way she brushed off the seriousness made her look really suspect
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2016-11-09 21:53 [#02507313]
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I think the idea that Trump is going to appoint a conservative supreme court judge is bad, its going to take progress back decades
Its going to be very interesting how things pan out, his foreign policy will be most interesting, he said he would bomb the shit out of ISIS, if it can be done great i just get the feeling its going to generate ever more probs
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wavephace
from off the chain on 2016-11-09 21:58 [#02507314]
Points: 3098 Status: Lurker | Followup to Hyperflake: #02507310
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well the polls r mostly thru phones and internet so i dont think that matter but IMO the 2 big problem with polls is (#1) shy tory effect basicly where thru sustained socio-political gaslighting by the influencer class ppl are made 2 think right wing opinions are EVIL and feel ashamed of them, so they might not b honest with the poll, or might not be willing 2 take the poll even
and related 2 that is (#2) where the polls use different samples of ppl over time so 4 example at 1 time hard core dems might feel enthusiastic and more likely 2 answer the poll and hard core repubs feel dejected and are less willing 2 take the poll, then at the 2nd time the moods switch and a different type of ppl might be the 1's willing to answer the poll. thats y i think the LA TIMES poll (wich constantly showed trunp doing way better than all the other polls) was genious, cuz unlike the other polls it used the same sample of ppl for the whole campaign so u could see how moods were changing in the same group of ppl. i think i read some where that poll was dissed cuz i guess it didnt have alot of black ppl in it and there was 1 pro trump black guy in the sample who was skewing it but if that kinda poll had a big enuf sample size i think it could be rly good
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wavephace
from off the chain on 2016-11-09 22:03 [#02507315]
Points: 3098 Status: Lurker | Followup to Hyperflake: #02507313
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i dont think it will b that bad as long as no more judges die/get killed. trunps judge will replace scalia who was already the most conservative and that court did gay marriage. just hopefuly democrats can retake the senate in 2018 and no more judges need 2 be replaced in that 2 yrs
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2016-11-10 07:07 [#02507322]
Points: 31007 Status: Lurker | Followup to wavephace: #02507314
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thoughtful reply thanks
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2016-11-10 07:08 [#02507323]
Points: 31007 Status: Lurker | Followup to wavephace: #02507315
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yes Scalia was an arse, someone a bit more moderate would be nice, but its probably going to be someone who defers to old testament in everything they do
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