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Nothing to do with Islam. |
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how do you know? |
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Because it never is, is it? |
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Who is saying that Islamic terrorism has nothing to do with Islam? Nobody. The issue is whether all Muslims are collectively guilty and should be collectively punished for the actions of the perpetrators. |
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dont post videos, the police has said so |
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awake the avengers!!! |
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Muslims are collectively guilty. Seeing as they don't, collectively, lift a finger unless it's about something that "offends" them. Do they get offended when horrific acts are carried out in the name of Islam, presumably something they'd consider blasphemous, right? No. Some lofty mullah might attempt to calm the Dhimmis with the well-worn "cowardly attack, nothing to do with Islam" statement. But when it comes to burning down embassies and really protesting against something? Oh that'd take something even worse, like a cartoon (including extra cartoons added by Islamists), or a film on YouTube, or a sermon in the one WestBoro church as compared to its 100,000,000 equivalent hate-filled, halal-fart stuffed mosques. |
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wow!!! that's one big "bold" & "italic" mess!!! |
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If it does turn out to be some non-muslim nut-job "doing what ISIS wantsâ„¢" by attempting to incite "race war" we still have, from the last ten days; Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel (Nice) Mohammed Riyad (Wurzburg) Mohamed Boufarkouch (Garda-Colombe) No relation, obvs. |
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i guess its a shame |
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what about you? can you feel with the victims? |
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I don't want it to happen. I don't get any enjoyment out of this keep happening. Who on earth would want innocent people, children, parents, siblings, gunned down for no reason? I am angry because whilst killing "randoms" isn't exclusive to muslims, it is increasingly commited by muslims in non-muslim countries where politicians and lobbyists have bent over to import muslims. If a white Briton, barking on about Albion's supremacy went into a shopping centre in Kenya and held people hostage, cut their balls of and shot people in front of their kids i would be ashamed to be remotely associated with such a person. I would never harbour, protect, lie to the police, finance or in any way support such a person. But when it comes to Muslims, well, it's all part of the "struggle" against de white crusader. |
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If collective guilt for inaction in the face of crimes by "your people" is ethically coherent, don't Westerners bear collective guilt for sitting on their asses eating doritos while Western or Western-backed armies committed the opccupation of Iraq, Fallujah, Abu Ghraib, Gaza and so on? |
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i would be ashamed to be remotely associated with such a person someone told me thank god my mother was italian as of today |
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i had to eplain her its the fathers first name, and all that stuff |
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Well, if westerners are guilty of sitting on their asses, then you'll be happy that they won't put down the doughnuts long enough to do anything about being gunned down in their own countries. It's all about passivity, hashtags and inviting Trudeau to an al-qaeda recruiting mosque to defuse tensions. Because we wouldn't want things to get worse, now would we? |
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Its like we are living in a Tom Clancy Novel |
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Also "whataboutery" isn't really an argument. |
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i heard a fascist calling for revolution once |
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I do feel these events are getting to me, and I don't want to lash out at pals or just regular people. I am deeply saddened about what is happening, and seems to be increasingly happening. I don't agree with that French politician who said, after Nice, that we (at least the French) need to get used to this. No. No No No No. Who brings kids up in that environment? I don't want to row about it. I do wish it wasn't happening. |
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It's not "whataboutery", I'm asking you whether collective guilt and punishment is a universal ethical principle for you, or if it only applies when it suits you. I'll answer the question myself, if that will prompt you: collective guilt makes as much sense as substitutive atonement; it's a superstitious way of thinking and you might as well go project your sins on a goat and slaughter it for redemption as blame all Americans for Fallujah, or all Arabs for Nice. |
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If there was a cult, let's call it Jizzlam, that openly called for the death of non-believers of Jizzlam, and also had a couple of small chapters on Herbs, and I, as a Herb lover, joined Jizzlam because of the nice paragraph or two on herbs, and aligned myself with Jizzlam and funded it through "charity" and never spoke out about some of its other actions because I'm only interested in the herb aspect - It's other peoples problem if they see my membership as an endorsement or terrorism? I don't think the West is collectively guilty because of the actions of its politicians, military and corporations. I do think Muslims are guilty because their actions involve politician, military, theologians and the general fucking public, ie the fucking lot of them. Apart from, sure, you pal "Mo" who just wants to chill. But is still a Muslim. |
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If we say "don't blame muslims for Islamist violence" then what do we do? Give muslims more positions in politics and security? Give them more influence? Ignore them? Give them all their own personal Gazas so they can fucking moan its not big enough and tunnel under your house? What do you do in the face of repeated Islamist attacks? Say "Oh it's ISIS's plan for you to hate muslims" and ignore it? Or embrace muslims and start having to accommodate muslims and not offend them (cf Charlie Hebdo) |
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ive been christian, buddhist and muslim. now i dont subscribe to any religion. are you deaf? i dont have put my ass in jewry only. |
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kinda wanted to have a look for myself. i didnt find trace of the hatred youre talking about in my visits in mosques. mosques in palestine, mosques in jerusalem, mosques in egypt, mosques in london. i don't understand arab, so i dunno. lots of kids in mosques, especially in london. maybe they were talking about beheading people and i didnt undestand what they were saying, who knows |
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im well happy i didnt happen in a mosque like the ones on the videos you post. maybe i wasnt here writing about this |
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if you can call a muslim one that does know a single word from the coran |
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i was particularly attracted by sufis, likewise monks in christianity and meditation |
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but there are no sufis in palestine |
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once i saw a video of a jewish scholar studying the coran in israel. he recited it better than any muezzin |
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If we say "don't blame muslims for Islamist violence" then what do we do? I'm saying, don't blame Muslims who haven't committed Islamist violence for Islamist violence. Also, stop goofing on Trudeau, the only world leader who could take Putin in a fist fight. Motherfucker your politicians look like North Korean propaganda that used smuggled Two Ronnies VHS tapes as reference material. |
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the guy was discovered wearing a pokemon go back pack its a f***ing disgrase. f***cking pokemon trainers |
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it seems there ar different types of islam one can choose |
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yes isnt sufi islam more mystical and less radical? |
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yes, i read a book of aphorisms by one of them, also another book by a female muslim saint or something. it doesnt differ from buddhist writings much |
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yeah i imagine it was probably influenced allot by things like Buddhism and vice versa |
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i looked into this kind of relationships in the past, but i forgot all that i learnt |
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yeah history of religion i find very interesting, rather than the religious texts themselves bible has lots of earlier progenitor like the epic of Gilgamesh for the flood and lost of parallels between Egyptian Horus and Jesus |
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Actually, it's about ethics in video game journalism. |
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^ oh god dont start with that!, that might be even a more intractable problem than religion |
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one thing i didnt do in my life, i didnt manage to keep all my favourite books with me, same for music |
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books are the best thing after music i reckon, still plenty of time to build your collection back up |
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" Motherfucker your politicians look like North Korean propaganda that used smuggled Two Ronnies VHS tapes as reference material." Can't actually argue about that, to be honest. |
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"A Muslim newspaper in Germany Islamische Zeitung has tweeted that mosques in Munich will be open overnight to offer refuge for people who have nowhere to stay." Shut your fucking doors and save some lives. |
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Remember, not all Germans were in the SS. We still bombed the shit out of them though, and stopped them. Because they needed to be stopped. |
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You stepped in anti muslim trap |
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argh fuck broke the link |
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Oh jesus, here we go again. From that piss weak blog post written by a non-muslim addressing a non-muslim audience... "And that’s precisely the type of outcome we should expect if we alienate our Muslim populations en masse. Massive. Long-term. Harm." Don't upset them or it will be worse. |
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He's not saying don't serve pork, don't wear bikinis, don't draw cartoons. He's saying there are millions of moderate Muslim citizens of North America and Europe and you don't want to turn them into your enemies. IS wants to turn them into your enemies. I mean, if Trump gets elected and comes up with some harebrained scheme to tattoo Muslims and collect blood samples en route to stripping them of their citizenship and deporting them, what kind of reaction do you expect? Now, I'd like to hear your own harebrained schemes. Do you want to execute Muslims on sight? Deport them? Drive a truck through Muslim neighbourhoods mowing them down? What are your practical solutions? |
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