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Thump. Thats new? must have taken them a morning of brainstorming to come up with that, many whiteboards, never beat 'noisey' tho. |
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does the guy who wrote that article post on here, seems like a pretty big fan, his head is on upside down though |
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most of what he describes as trolling like the cheetah thing is tongue in cheek, i usually think of trolling as being a complete bastard to other people in an anonymous way |
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Hyperflake, you pointed out some person with a fairly decent page on Cheetah MS800 thought he was winding people up, that was bizarre too |
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yeah i get the impression he knows the cheetah is a bit low end and a bit poo, but he gets genuine pleasure at getting the best out of it that he can, the american cheetah display thing seemed like a bit of a piss take but wasnt trolling cos it wanst being negative |
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not to say he has never trolled |
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"he fit neatly into the tradition, particularly in Britain, of rogue genius hermits squirreling away in the woods, crafting mad potions." i sentence |
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yeah, the bits he quoted about the MS800 were from a page someone on here linked.... |
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russia still wants to know about the acid lord's hair policy |
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must be pretty weird reading about yourself, something you said 20 years ago when you were probably half pissed |
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ng for answers since 2006. |
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yes, ten years ago. wan't pissed, though... not even halfway. just incredibly stoned |
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I used to talk an incredibly amount of bollocks and still do, |
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I read that and was wondering which message boards? |
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the quote just made my brain go "we've read these phrases before" and i trust it on these things. i didn't actually look it up. now i have, and it's . after i'd dug it out of my browser history i noticed the article links to it directly. sometimes the marbles roll into a local solution space |
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twinturbo v12 |
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id i had one id have a go at programming it, i have the patience for it for sure |
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the prophet vs has one data slider and you can't CC directly to the cutoff. you have to send a CC to switch the parameter and then CC to move the data slider. it's a horrendous tragedy. thus the moment: there are a lot of noises in this box! i wish it were easier to get them out why? this was from the era where digital was cool; analog was last year and lame. they wanted you to be absolutely certain that this was computerized and so they hooked you up with a two-line LCD with the world's first blue LEDs, a single data slider, and a thousand buttons. analog synths can't do menus! this must be the future. the real future is the buttons starting to be tempermental and then the data slider dies and wine county charges you arm+leg for a data slider that's not even the same; logarithmic instead of linear. i'm figuring the MS800 is better here; no slider and people go crazy and throw it out the window before the buttons even come close to wearing out |
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for anyone who grew up with 80s consumer electronics, you know everything was a pain in the arse to configure or program, esoteric functions and flimsy manuals here is an american reviewing a british home computer |
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just talking to myself again, i realized it's probably not like they wanted CC messages to two-step and thus largely useless for live jamming. it's not even that they coded it up badly... i bet changing a parameter switches a bunch of analog muxes to get stuff from the digital to dave smith's CEM farm. pretty much, the hardware is probably incapable of manipulating both cutoff and resonance at once. it drove me mad because there was a very narrow sweet spot if you wanted squealchy stuff and to keep it all rrrpprpttptpt you had to keep the cutoff and res a certain distance from each other |
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My Mam had a BBC micro, i remember when i was very little her typing programs into it and laughing and clapping when it worked. Fuckin formative. |
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^ we used to play chucky egg at lunch time in school, i had a cut down version at home, the bbc electron, its still under my bed at my mums house |
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so how about the casio cz series? phase distortion synthesis -- buttons, confusing menus. doesn't seem as treacherous though, i was able to get decent patches out of them without having a clue what i was doing |
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didnt you used to have a prophet, or am i thinking of someone else |
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Wish i could find photos of the LEGO technic robot arm that I saw in a magazine in the early 90s that some one had built which was controlled by a BBC Micro |
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Phase distortion synthesis is the same as FM, they had to call it that to avoid patent problems. |
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i have very distant memories of a series of minicomputers. asked him about it a while ago, he said: a DEC Rainbow first, it was total shit. slow. terrible. then a PDP-1, which was better. then PCs forever... somewhere in there, he bought my sister and i a C64 as a "kid's computer." it was a joke to him; a toy. it got treated as such. i remember quite literally using it as a baseball bat (it was undamaged). by the time i got into music and found out about the SID chip he'd tossed it. off on my own i began combing flea markets and electronics skips; i spent a bunch of time hacking around on a pair of Apple IIe's until i had to sell them off. i've had loads of other vintage systems that also got binned... TI-99, a compaq luggable, a woz edition mac classic. a fantastic collection of useless junk that i could fuss around with forever. now that it's gone, i get real work done sometimes |
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FM and PD are really just digital implementations of analog synthesis, you could call them virtual annalog (additive) synthesis. |
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that sounds wicked, i love stuff like that i didnt know it was actually phase distortion synthesis, but makes alot of sense |
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what was fun about those old machines was an edge of fuzziness and life. you'd power on the IIe and see a garbage distorted version of whatever was last on-screen when you used it two weeks ago. little hiccups and glitches happen randomly. of a friend and i writing basic programs while tripping. we had a discussion afterwards, like, "i bet this is what people did in the 80s, before the internet" |
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^ i used to watch my brother doing exactly what your doing on that apple |
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plotting the coordinates, is basic built into it? |
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i've heard real musicians program a YM2413 FM Operator Type-LL (OPLL) with their teef |
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what i heard was that the chips in Yamaha things always did phase modulation anyway, not 'frequency modulation', so they were basically the same... |
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it has BASIC built into it, but it's not very good BASIC. it can't even talk to the floppy drives unless you boot off a floppy into PRODOS, which is what you actually want. from there it gets very detail-y, do you have an assembler? is it a crappy one or some deluxe one? i was only just starting to dig into the assembly when i gave it up. it's not that i had problems getting my head around it, but the keyboard was forkin' terrible. thousands of typos. millions of syntax errors |
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yes it reminds me of when you had those computer game type ins, in the 80s and you would spend all night typing it in but it wouldnt work because there was a typo in tha magazine or your input, but thats a good way to learn in away, especially changing variable to change stuff for fun |
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yeah i just looked it up, it says mathematically they are equivalent, |
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i have to admit i don't really grok FM. i mean, i know roughly what parameters go into a DX7 patch. i can go in and deliberately alter an existing patch so it's what i want, or make a new one that's not crap... but the idea of sitting down and deliberately designing a patch to sound like something in particular is still terrifying to me. sort of like knowing how to drive a car, but not knowing how it works inside i guess my best feel for it comes from the DX200; after a while i got a sense of what the knobs did to the noises even if i didn't understand the architecture. |
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there are so many parameters |
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blunder around and after six months you've worn a few trails in the moutains with your footsteps. there's the analogy i wanted. |
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the DX200 will load full DX7 patches but you aren't allowed to edit a lot of the parameters through its controls. makes things much easier. pretty much, yamaha just picked the fun ones, then threw in a multimode filter and an fx chain. since it has standard subtractive cutoff and res that makes it way easier to fumble through the FM shit |
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. bought one of these suckaz at a garage sale for $20. the lady was firm, and i almost didn't buy it. i tried to bend it and got nowhere; it's digital. not much discrete shit like the casios. years alter i found this page -- data bending, yeah, get on that right now. i did the basic mod like on this page. when my life exploded i was in the middle of tearing it apart and modularizing it. the keyboard now plugs into a 25-pin rhombus and i was working on integrating a raspberry pi into the thing. i'm (currently) useless at most analog circuit design, but i had to do a fair bit of digital for school. designing shit in ALTERA. dev kits for that are a lot to chew on, but then PIs showed up and i looked back at my old bent psr-6 and went omg omg omg. this will be amazing. it probably will be if i ever finish it |
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the world's only yamaha portasound with an ethernet connector, and linux. hilarious to me. less of a joke is being able to literally script all the bending shit you had to do with banana plus manually, write down for later, etc |
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a woz edition IIgs, not mac classic. but i also had the 512k anniversary mac with all the signatures inside. the IIgs was a fucking weird machine. it was an apple II but also a mac, once you threw in a few expansion cards |
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i remember reading Atari ST format and at the end of the magazines life the writers were trying to convince everyone to buy and apple mac, got a pc a few years later and never looked back, if it was the 80s though i would have loved one |
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target=_blank>magnesium cases/a> |
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Atari ST was way at the top of my list for machines i wanted. it's pretty legendary for snappy MIDI, and it has a SID chip too. it's what fatboy slim sequenced all his good albums on, and i think what luke vibert used up through throbbing pouch... then i remember some bullshit on the internet about aphex twin atari falcon and it there was some DSP chip in it that is/was used in real music gear. won't know how bullshit that bullshit was unless i can get my hands on one, and i can't even find a fucking amiga 400 since like 2003 |
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my brother was going to upgrade to a falcon, had high res monochrome mode, but it was pretty sure it was a dead duck cos atari no longer had good third party support and PC was coming up big |
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