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please try to avoid trolling on xlt, fleetmouse -- he didn't say all muslims are equal, he said all muslims are bad. |
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Firstly F'mouse you know I bow to your better, more level-headed understanding, and I apologise that I make increasingly rash statements that you must be disappointed, but maybe not surprised, to read. But I do not agree. The article you link to backs up what I said - Climate Change led to rural types moving to the city. I would suggest that *did* exacerbate religious tensions; between modern, more secularly inclined metropolitan types, and a bunch of rednecks. This has happened continuously throughout history. And yes the ringleaders of Al-Qaeda et al might be university graduates, who've travelled the world and run large business - but crucially their footsoldiers, followers and people blowing themselves up ARE in general ignorant (by definition) rural types. Look at Pakistan, Afghanistan. At our peril do we listen to the Jihad version of the Countryside Alliance. Egypt had its chance - the country folk get bussed in to vote for the avowedly Anti-Western Muslim Brotherhood. Brilliant. Libya cries out for liberation and within weeks collapses in on itself with militias forming around ever watering hole. Brilliant. Now every muslim that follows no law other than that of Allah finds it laughable that Old Europe might try to exercise border controls. Allahu Akbar to that! Biggest cunt on the map though, without a doubt, worse even than Saudi Arabia, is fucking Turkey - who has aided, financed and supplied ISIS in Syrai, bombed the Kurds under the pretext of bombing ISIS, and is facilitating and encouraging the mass movement of people from the Middle East and Africa into Europe. We could all do with a break from political Islam. Anyone who is a muslim is a supporter of a ruinous ideology. And bit by bit, quicker and quicker, non-muslim populations in Europe are being replaced by Muslims. On purpose. But hey, once all the non-Muslims have gone, all those toothless old racists, there'll be harmony. Like in all those other muslim places. |
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I would suggest that *did* exacerbate religious tensions; between modern, more secularly inclined metropolitan types, and a bunch of rednecks. This has happened continuously throughout history. [citation needed] Can you find me a source to support the supposition that religious tensions between migrant farmers and cosmopolitan urban types triggered any of this? That bumpkin rurals attacked unveiled cosmopolitan women, or somesuch? That doesn't seem to be The unrest began on 15 March in Damascus and Aleppo, yet in the southern city of Daraa, sometimes called the "Cradle of the Revolution",[20] protests had been triggered on 6 March by the incarceration and torture of 15 young students, who were arrested for writing anti-government graffiti in the city,[21][22] "The people want the fall of the regime".[23] Demonstrators clashed with local police, and confrontations escalated on 18 March after Friday prayers. With thousands protesting, the clashes resulted in several civilian deaths. On 20 March, a mob burned down the Ba'ath Party headquarters and other public buildings. Security forces quickly responded, firing live ammunition at crowds, and attacking the focal points of the demonstrations. The two-day assault resulted in the deaths of fifteen protesters.[24] |
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(sorry, you said metropolitan, not cosmopolitan, my bad, I wasn't suggesting that the urban Syrian women are drinking appletinis and reading articles about 5 sex moves that will wow him in bed, though I would hope they are) |
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Sorry, you say here's all the set up for what happened, but can I provide evidence for that leading to what's happened? It's what is happening now. That's my fucking citation. Facts. Now. Reality. Do you need a link to what's actually happening in order to validate it? Or is it a coincidence? |
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citation needless. now can we argue about the phrase "not all muslims..." please |
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It's "all" muslims like it was "all" Nazis. We didn't go to fucking war quiblling over who were the nice Nazis. My very existence wasn't worried about when The Germans bombed my dad's house when he was a toddler. They got my uncle. But it wasn't the Germans, was it? It wasn't a popularly supported ideology, was it? Maybe it was just some individuals, that happened to identify as German Nazis, acting erroneously? You fucking feckless, cheese-jowled, overfed, decaffeinated, mollycoddled, artisan bluster woollen piss. |
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not all women are ignorant of the truth about all muslims. |
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abe simpson entering and then leaving brothel dot memegif |
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It's all LOL until it's HALAL |
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fleetmouse u brought up iran again but you seem to be saying that iran is doing evil things now because america made that coup (like everyone does all the time). so basically ur saying you dont bother about factoring in the subsequent half century of historical developments in iran cos the only important bit is america. we'll have to talk about iran another time. fleetmouse there are islamic problems in our world today thats true. muslims are telling you and a lot of them are dead cos you didnt listen. most of them wanted the freedom to be muslims and the dictators and fascists didnt let them... |
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drillrods lemme check on that ill read later imo - america has been leaving iraq to iranian influence as part of a hasty withdrawal strategy. iran is evil. sectarianism driving sunnis to isis. its not just a clusterfuck it can be figured out. lemme find something for you |
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From the very outset, the Assad regime and its Iranian and Russian supporters have waged a very large and elaborate disinformation campaign to push its own narrative of the conflict, which has centred on the claim that the uprising—which was comprised of peaceful protesters for six entire months—was in fact a sectarian, Islamist conspiracy stirred up from outside. It didn’t matter how much evidence there was of non-sectarianism from the opposition, the regime went on with its propaganda, and inside Syria, the regime was doing everything it could to destroy the non-sectarian, peaceful protest movement and turn it into a violent, sectarian Islamist movement. The regime sacked mosques and disseminated videos of its soldiers drinking alcohol in them. The regime used Alawi auxiliaries rather than uniformed soldiers to attack Sunnis to try to provoke a sectarian response, notably sending Alawi militiamen to literally trample over the bodies of Sunni civilians in Bayda, a Sunni enclave on the Alawi coast, in April 2011 and then conducted a series of massacres beginning at Houla in May 2012 that used Alawi villagers to shoot and butcher at close-quarters their Sunni neighbours. The regime turned loose not only violent Syrian Salafist oppositionists but al-Qaeda and other foreign Salafi jihadists, from in its own prisons in May and June 2011, and from Lebanon in November 2011. “The regime did not just open the door to the prisons and let these extremists out, it facilitated them in their work, in their creation of armed brigades,” said an Alawi defector from the Military Intelligence Directorate. |
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It's 2015. These people all have iPhones. They have better phones than I do. They have access to the Internet. To ALL information. The situation is not comparable to the fucking Enlightenment. These hair fetishists and serial kid-fuckers are not the bastions of Humanity. They LIKE medieval attitudes to women. They like fucking throwing rocks at each other. And they can do that until the cows come home. But over fucking there. |
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Meanwhile the regime continued to arrest and even kill peaceful, secular activists. The aim, as explained by a senior defector from Assad’s foreign ministry, was to chang[e] the narrative … to one of sectarianism, not reform. [Assad] … fostered an extremist presence in Syria … [and] facilitated the influx of foreign extremist fighters to threaten stability in the region. … The resulting international paralysis allowed Assad to present himself as an ally in the global war on terror, granting him license to crush civilians with impunity. … Today, the conflict has morphed into a sectarian regional proxy war. This is precisely how Assad envisioned it, and creates a dynamic that the internationals can dismiss as too complex or dissonant to Western interests. This is called provocation, or provokatsiya in Russia, where the tactic was perfected. It means taking control of your enemies and having them defeat themselves. It is tactic that has been employed elsewhere, notably Algeria, as defectors there explained. To spread the message that the only oppositionists were takfiris, Assad had help from Iran and Russia. RT, formerly Russia Today, Moscow’s ceaselessly anti-Western English-language propaganda channel, and Press TV, Iran’s equivalent, have presented themselves as “alternative” news sources, and they attract significant audiences in the West, especially among the young angry about the invasion of Iraq and the 2008 financial crisis, helping Assad’s lies seem like legitimate view-points in an ongoing debate. To make doubly sure, Moscow employs armies of trolls to spam anybody who does not toe the Assadist line, overwhelming the space for debate. |
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One example of how the regime’s propaganda works comes from May 2013, when a rebel named Khalid al-Hamad a.k.a. Abu Sakkar, the commander of the Omar al-Farouk Brigade, was filmed biting into the lung of a dead Hizballah fighter in Homs Province. The video, and screen shots, were disseminated by the Assad regime in multiple languages. Press TV set the tone, going with the headline, “Syria rebel cuts out soldier’s heart and eats it“. This was then picked up by the mainstream Western press, including the BBC, where Abu Sakkar was identified as a “heart-eating cannibal“. Russia’s ruler, Vladimir Putin, spoke of the rebels as people who “kill their enemies and eat their organs,” arguing against any Western effort to assist the rebellion at a crucial moment when Russian and Iranian assistance was turning the war in Assad’s favour. Apart from this being anatomically incorrect, the story was so devoid of context as to make it essentially wrong. A few days before, the regime had conducted a terrible massacre of up to 450 Sunni civilians in Bayda and Baniyas. During the course of the slaughter, regime paramilitaries, the National Defence Forces—consolidated in late 2012 under Iranian direction to rescue the regime—cut an unborn child from a woman and murdered the baby. |
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I appreciate you're one of those Occupy, gender-troubled millennials that was fucked by their Guardian reading uncle but do you honestly buy that Assad invited in foreign jihadis and declared war on his own people just to.... what? To what end? |
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Connect the dots. The US overthrew Mossadegh in 53 on behalf of what later became BP, then for two decades the Shah was their man in the middle east, until he wasn't and the 79 revolution happened. Then they began against post-revolutionary Iran. In the meantime they began nurturing the Mujahideen in Afghanistan to jam a stick in the spokes of Russia's occupation. Then Saddam became the enemy, and the Mujahideen and the Taliban became the enemy. Now the entire fucking region is melting down, good job swallowing the fly, old lady, have a dog and a cat next. signeduptolol - is doing the exact same thing , or - playing off forces against each other, including yes, jihadists. Weird to see this large big idiot doing to his own country what the US has done to the whole region for decades. |
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Interesting blog, I'll have to check his sources but it seems broadly correct and I agree that anyone who takes RT as more than comedy is a fool - Russia clearly wants either Assad or [insert syrian puppet here] to be their own strong man in the middle east. |
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thx. please read his blog. young syrian specialist. read all of his stuff anyway i agree america is bad u know my thoughts |
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what happened, SignedUpToLOL, your dad converted to Islam and started grabbing your balls? |
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No, to the best of my knowledge my father has neither a). Converted to Islam b). Started grabbing my balls But I will jump straight onto XLT and let you know the moment he does either or, inevitably, both. |
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At least with out and out satanists you know where you stand, rather than all this cultural, marxist relativisim |
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yes tell mama xlt |
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haha |
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marxist relativism described as cultural? i'm beginning to like you. how many wars have been in a pretend cunt's name that someone made up? there was always going to be a trade-off when all those colonies "declared" independance. too much too soon; and i don't even need to site examples. which even in itself is shocking. there is more than one level of this. there are always going to be more peons to suit your cause if you're bored and want to justify anything that suits your fucked up mind. the current situation is interesting but is vastly exxagerated. and why wouldn't it be. it sells. |
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I find all religion a disease of the mind, a comfort blanket for the ignorant and needy. The idea of faith as a basis of religion makes me laugh, as religion is set to such rigid parameters and unchallengeable. I have faith there is more than I can ever imagine, even a possible god, in fact I'd not even spend a nano second to argue it beyond absolute fact, so why do so many people give to so much less with violent reaction? Out of all religions, Islam is the most problematic and spreading that problem across a western world it largely dissaproves of makes no sense to me. Good job I'll probably be dead in the next 10/15 years. |
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Wasn't meant to be a reply, just a general post. |
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i'd agree and i enjoyed your metphors. then you fall apart as i do to explain other ppls bullshit. i'm having trouble explaining stupidiy atm. and i really mean that. or at least how to deal with it. online i sounds like a right fucking cunt but you know what i mean. we all are in a collective of cunts and some cunts are more cuntive than other cunts, so how do you deal with that? i did try to read this 3 or 4 times i am sorry if i am interrupting on this case and thats a fucking first even when i have found a last can of cider i didn't know i had. i used to mock mapatazzee with his nihilistic views because they are based upon psychosis but as kurt kobain most prevaletly said i miss the comfort in being sad. and how right he was. i dont read papers i dont read yahoo i hear things other ppl say but i really dont care anymore. is moira stewart dead? she was a plant in the 80s... i've not given up. i know im a cunt an a vitriolic misanthrope but fuck that i will fight until the end. |
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this is the kind of microaggression that keeps zilty from being a safe space for diversity |
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there are better ways than assad. professor of security studies at King’s College London. The ruthless elimination of the Brotherhood didn’t mean that the country was exempt from the ‘religious turn’ which many Arab societies experienced during the 1990s..... Conscious of what was happening, Bashar, who succeeded his father in 2000, sought to co-opt and control this revival. In the first years of his presidency, he spent much of his time grooming religious leaders, controlling mosques, and making sure that the burgeoning Islamic sector was playing by the regime’s rules..... The Syrian government’s ‘secret weapon’ against jihadists was to infiltrate their networks and turn suspects into government collaborators – a technique that had been used with great success against the Muslim Brotherhood in the 1970s and 1980s. .... |
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Stupid people make me sad |
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It's been accepted by christians that the bible should not all be taken literally, and therefore often interpreted. The problem with Islam is that a few centuries after it was written, debates were had amongst scholars and high figures as to interpretation, and it was decided that everything was to be taken literally. For a while before that their religion was a lot more poetic, and peaceful. I think the bible mentions not eating pork for example, and of course plenty of very aggressive and degrading passages towards women, which luckily aren't interpreted word by word anymore. (by most, but not all) |
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Before the Koran was written* (soz) |
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i hate jeremy corbyn so much. aphex twin loves him. all of the corbyn supporters say that any critic of corbyn its all just smears. they say smears must be stopped. however the top stories on guardian are about how david cameron nobbed a pig head in the mouth. an end to punch and judy politics.... |
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you are right i think but christianity in some ways was more evil cos it taught generations to police the private mind deeper and deeper. with islam you sort of judge yourself by less complex criteria all set out by a single truth with god. with christ you are never clean enough and must keep analysing your sins. islam isnt a very guilty religion |
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i just want to say that checking this thread is the highlight of my day. |
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i hate jeremy corbyn so much. Why? I'm guessing he's said something about the middle east that irks you, but in general I've read his positions and he seems like the English Bernie Sanders. Good boy, nice. |
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My guy, the world is swarming with Christian Biblical literalists. I don't think that detracts from your point, just wanted to mention in passing. Carry on. |
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you say you worry about christian creeps in this world. but corbyn the righteous vegan dressed only in rags from the charity shop - dosnt strike you as the preisty type? |
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Wow, that is some straight up Nietzsche talk, right there. Have you been reading Genealogy of Morals? You're casting Corbyn's ethics as slave morality, even describing it as priestly. |
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Don't be patronizing, fleetmouse. I never implied one religion was better than another. As far as Christian fundamentalists go, do you think I live on another planet and am not aware of them and the hatred, and division they spread? It's a shame my early post read as: "Christians 4 life". It was not my point. I spoke about a problem regarding interpretation, I was not saying that Christians are all tolerant and good people. Most Christians I know use their religion and church-going as a façade anyway. |
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Ok, I don't think you were being patronizing at all. I'm sorry. I'm really touchy of late and it's not your fault, peepers! |
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Don't worry about it. here's the thing, religion as tradition and scripture is really inseparable from interpretation and culture. So there are Christianities, not Christianity, and Islams, not Islam. (the fundies on both sides will tell you that their interpretation isn't an interpretation but the Truth because they are Cocks) George Bush: 'God to end the tyranny in Iraq' |
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(that's not directed especially at you, please don't accuse me of being patronizing again even though I suppose I'm stating the obvious) |
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i only canonize and realize |
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verdict: mostly true |
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