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"Venetian Snares is in “very serious financial trouble” and needs fans’ help "The producer hasn’t elaborated on why he’s found himself in such “serious financial trouble,” but if you’re a fan of his music and want to help him out, you can buy music from his . If you need a recommendation, the recent collection of archival material under his Last Step alias is a great place to start." |
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he was a fool to invest heavily in self inflating pantaloons |
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and / or he invested too much of his time, talent, feelings and / or money in Poemss sad face indeed |
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My gut instinct is to make a LOL but, no, this is a bit unfortuante. |
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I'm already broke because I almost own all his records |
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Black monday hit me hard too. I'm going in hard to make up the difference on black friday. |
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Ha ha! |
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broke and stupid. i am a fan but no way do i like (urgh..appreciate) everything he's done. still looking for this bitter earth 7" if u wanna sell? |
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if i find him on the streets i'll buy him food |
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a penny saved is a laser burns. |
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I've seen the pictures of him with the huge modular synth racks. Can't help but think that's like a house painter and decorator having a collection of fine arts brushes... Don't really like his music but if this plea is genuine, and not because he suddenly needs a new car, then I wish him well. |
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I don't wish him any ill but I find it hard to sympathise after reading |
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I read most of that out of boredom then skimmed the last eighth or so. The title seems quite misleading/clickbait I guess, he didn't say he "hates you" anywhere that I read, just that he's introverted and doesn't like bullshit that interferes with the purity of art or whatever. |
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It’s funny, it super mirrors what we did for the promo of that new record. We got a bunch of 78-year-olds to listen to it and just wrote down what they said. anyone know what this is referring to? |
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I like snaresy and liked the factmag interview, many an lol were had |
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oh please. target=_blank>stick it/a> |
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if this is a genuine jolt towards people who haven't paid in the past and have downloaded his music for free illegally then GOOD. but it isn't. trying to work out how much money i have paid him comes to around £60. indirectly. that's how much i have paid for his music. i haven't stolen any. i don't want to. i've already paid for what i have. plenty of cunts have stolen his music, THAT'S why he's a poor man. i don't pity him because i don't know him. i wouldn't expect him to pity me. maybe he should mention this in his spiel rather than beg. i do follow him on facebook because i like his music. but here is the alternative. plead to the cunts who take everything and give nothing rather than the loyal fans who have already paid their dose. but don't beg, you look cheap and you redefine yourself in a finite and vile way now and in the future. |
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Intellectual property is like building a dinosaur out of legos then saying other people can't build the same dinosaur with their own legos, plus the internet is a giant copying machine that makes it trivial. Person 2 building his own dinosaur does not take the dinosaur from person 1 so it is not stolen since it is a copy. The main trick I see to get around this is base the business model on not making the very first replication until a donation price is reached, and it might be possible to do that in a way where every party can trust every other party to go through with the deal since it is programmable money. Nobody CAN copy it if the only copy is secret and only on your hard drive. I suspect this business model might fail simply because there'd be a lot of competition from people releasing free stuff to the giant copying machine just to get recognition. Only people that make very innovative stuff would likely have people donate to have them release their secret stuff. |
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" Person 2 building his own dinosaur does not take the dinosaur from person 1 so it is not stolen since it is a copy." If a craft website sold crochet patterns but instead you downloaded one from a pirate craft site and knit it does that mean you didn't steal the pattern because they still have their original one? Are the pattern and the file of the pattern the same entity? How do you turn electrical impulses into fancy yarn? They are no more the same entity than a song and an mp3 file are because Shannon information has physicality apart from its substrate, and the mp3 file structure system is part of the substrate not the information itself, the intellectual content. You cannot possess the "pattern" to create that intellectual content unless you actively procure it and if you do so without paying it is still ethically stealing because you used the pattern without buying it. |
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I don't know exactly how computers work, but the physical manifestation of a crochet pattern on your computer is basically made out of complicated silicon, and if I made a copy onto my computer, it would be like a separate sand castle, same pattern composed of different silicon. The silicon is analogous to the legos of my dinosaur example. I know little about crochet but you could make the actual yarn item using the information, and I could make a yarn item using different yarn. As long as I don't take your silicon or yarn and use my own silicon and yarn, then I don't see how anything was stolen ('to take the property of another wrongfully') since you still have your yarn and silicon. I just molded my own silicon, then yarn into a pattern. That's how I see it but it is ethically tricky and haven't made up my mind 100%. Despite ethics the reality of things that replicate is that, like genes, they can take on a life of their own, become viral, increase exponentially. The ultimate safety precaution, if you don't want something replicated, is to not release its information into the wilderness where its replication is beyond your control. Whatever, I'm an idiot and nobody reads this site. And there's no way to make money any damn where, the robots will take all our jobs, and the elites will probably just euthenize us rather than give us free money made from their robots. We have primates running a bunch of crazy technology, what could go wrong? |
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I used the example of a pattern in order to further distinguish a sequence code that is an instruction set from a things constituents and from the constituents of the substrate, or material that it exists on. The pattern's constituents are not silicon or electrical impulses on your computer, those are the constituents of the file (which instructs your computer how to make the image of the pattern, while the pattern is instructions telling YOU how to make the crochet.) The same pattern could be drawn with pencil on graph paper and have nothing to do with silicon or electrical impulses. I could send you each coordinate of the pattern over morse code or I could draw it in the sand. Information theory says that the pattern is a distinct, quantifiable sequence code that requires a "carrier substrate" which could me describing it, drawing it in the sand, or sending you a file, but does not reduce to that carrier substrate. In the case of a song, it could be burned to CD, pressed to vinyl, or existing in the neural connections in your brain but the song does not reduce to the bits on your computer anymore than it reduces to the specific neural circuit that remembers how it goes. Those sequences are instructions on how to make the song. The song reduces to the sonic vibrations that produce its sounds while the pattern of the song reduces to it's notation, both representing two aspects of the "intellectual information" in question, and why you can't use uncleared samples any more than you can just play the riff yourself and record it. The "riff" exists as a distinct information set whether you play it on guitar, hum it or draw in on a cave wall in berry juice. |
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the important question is whether the information can exist without any substrate / instantiation whatsoever I agree with w M w that the elites will not share their robot wealth |
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Not buying music makes you a thief. .although you steal non original copies. .It even makes you look worse: its like walking in fake clothes bought in some stupid holiday resort. I could never live with that idea. So I buy music. |
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what's wrong with pirates all of a sudden you old gits |
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I think information is an abstract noun, a concept, and doesn't physically exist unless it has a medium to manifest in. If you write a byte on a chalkboard, it is manifested in the chalk, if you write it in sand and the wind blows it away and that was the only copy, the information doesn't continue existing like some ghost, there's no way to retrieve it, unless you memorized it in which case it is manifested in your brain matter. If you do morse code you're probably looking at a paper with the code written on it and you can convert it into sound, which very quickly dissipates, but would be manifested in the air molecules before it did. I don't get how recognizing that information can be coded in different mediums affects the idea that as long as I use my own chalk/sand/brain matter/silicon/yarn property, I didn't steal any of your said items since you still have yours. Then there's questions like can a single byte be intellectual property? What about a megabyte but a single bit differs? I suppose you can release information with a contract saying i only agree to make a copy for you if you follow these copying rules which is what copyleft does I guess, but the reality of things that replicate is they can trivially become viral/grow exponentially beyond your control. I could imagine a business model, like a website for artists where they keep all the info they want to sell secret and locked on their hard drive, only giving away teasers/samples, then release the information after the donation "ransom" amount is reached, which can possibly be coded in cryptocurrency to work where parties can trust eachother to go through with the deal. Ransomware? But that already has a different definition. Once the first replication happens you might as well consider it living and replicating beyond your control like genes. |
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If you write a byte on a chalkboard, it is manifested in the chalk Interesting. What if a piece of chalk falls on the sidewalk and makes an identical mark - is that also a byte? What if a professor holds up a pencil in class and says, this represents a byte. Was it a byte before he did that? Is it still a byte after class? Are other pencils also bytes? |
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I'm not any sort of expert in pretty much anything, but maybe neither is anyone else, I'm just an idiot saying stuff I currently think on a dying, ok dead, messageboard. But maybe on a far away lifeless planet, the wind could unintentionally/luckily blow desert sand into hills that could code for a byte, or some other natural process that could be interpreted digitally. But that info would be unintentional, there'd be no lifeform there to interpret/read it, and if a lifeform was there they wouldn't likely be looking for information coded in sand hills/clouds/whatever since they know nature doesn't intentionally code info there. A piece of chalk that makes a '1' on the sidewalk by accident only makes sense as information if someone then reads/interprets it as information. A byte is 8 bits so a pencil would have to somehow have 8 marks on it or whatever to represent say 11101010 vs 01100001 etc. Some kid that wasn't thinking about bytes probably chewed on his pencil and made digital marks that could be interpreted as a byte but if no machine or human was expecting it, its irrelevant info outside of the info system. Or something who cares, there's no time to pontificate about crap when we might soon have a worldwide economic greatest depression. |
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"I think information is an abstract noun, a concept, and doesn't physically exist unless it has a medium to manifest in." It would be pretty easy to paint the word information as a construct or abstract concept. If the word refers to a sequence code, not so much because they are empirically quantifiable. A barcode would be a good example. My computer station uses a scangun and a barcode to log into xyz app. Let's say I use silk screening, etching, a stencil or some such way to make my barcode so that it has as little to do with the computer and printer as possible. Maybe I graffiti it on the side of the wall, of course using precise measurements. Then I scan the barcode back to the computer and print it out. I try my scangun on both and they both log me in to xyz app. The sequence code exists apart from it's material substrate because it had the same effect in the real world, apart from human concepts or constructs. It doesn't just seem similar to us because our brains look for analogies and patterns or something. |
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" if you write it in sand and the wind blows it away and that was the only copy, the information doesn't CONTINUE existing like some ghost, there's no way to retrieve it, unless you memorized it in which case it is manifested in your brain matter." TO the observer outside the universe all times exist as once. Once the information exists you can stop it from perpetually existing but you can never cause it to un-exist. Just because us meat bags can't retrieve it doesn't mean the entity zorg in multiverse 119b can't. |
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What's gonna be fucked is if in the future, everyone is required to have net connected chips embedded into their brains at birth. Then if someone were to replay a song in their head that they heard on the radio, their bank account would be charged a small fee. |
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It's all explained by VS's cat. Is it me or has this thread gone all quantum mechanics on us? |
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Haha jnasato start writing sci-fi books....cool idea |
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More like quantum farting. |
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Worst. Marketing. Campaign. Ever. |
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"200 dollars?!? I can get my cousin to do the art for free." |
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what a load of blather about electric dinosaurs. just stop writing music and get a job like everyone else |
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you know what? i should address this properly. a couple times a month i get this sinking feeling of loss when i think about one of the pieces of gear i had to sell off because i needed the money. usually it's thinking about the Prophet VS -- that synth was my buddy -- but sometimes the SH101 or the DX200 will do it as well. the idea of never getting a "music career" going was disappointing, but i could shrug that off. what was far worse was suddenly not having the means to continue, and being cut off from the process entirely. call me when you land there, mr. funk. if i'm out from under my pile of visa debt by then, i might feel a bit more in tune with your financial needs |
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Please to consider paypal one dollar to radioheaddude, radioheaddude@hotmail.com. th anks |
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update: i have trail mix. i no longer have any complaints about anything |
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in what way? it fucking worked monetary wise. im sure you're not such a sociopathic cunt to think there are other things that matter? |
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seriously where the fuck is my avatar? someone fucking post it. my fucking colon is ripped to fucking shreads getting drunk this week i don't fucking need anymore shit no pun intended you cunts |
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the free album is great. it's literally a complilation of his styles. not to be a cunt (but i am with no apologies) this was probably pre-planned. i didnt pay for it im not gonna pay for something ive never heard before that just how thngs are nowadays. but its a great listen. buy hey when aphex released a million free songs this year i didnt see ppl donating to his fucking ginger majesty in a hurry. we all need and or want money. can i just say i need money and get money? and btw ty so much for helping me out. in advance. guilt works so well with capitalism. go fuck yourselves. |
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Who knows. But I think, due to that, it's always good to follow common sense principles when buying stuff; i.e., buy it regardless of whether you believe the latest statements. Similarly, I recently re-purchased some of your albums using your bandcamp, just because I love you. And now you feel guilty. |
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uh, oops, I meant "_decide whether to buy it_ independent of whether you believe recent statements". |
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In a sense are we not just *enabling* Venetian Snares to keep making the same mistakes. Is it not time for deep and meaningful change? |
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there are those who would say that people have been paying him to make the same mistakes for years. |
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