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Why choose god? Why not accept the unknown, or what is before you. If you believe that god is ever present and all around, OK. But to choose it as a means to an end... I dunno. So many atheistic or agnostic men I find, as they hit their 50s choose to believe absolutely in a god, along with a structured religion. |
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Lol I was thinking about Phil Collins while putting my socks on that started this thought. Will he ever come back? Why did he go so religious near the end? Is he going to kill himself? He does deserve private time after all these years. |
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think its mainly due to the fact some cant accept death their emotions get the better of them. In some countries where religion is very prevalent they have horrible lives and cant find a reason to exist without the promise of an afterlife. Its hard for someone like me to comprehend but there are plenty out there who have no use for logic rational thought in their lives |
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God is better than idol worship. Try to fight God. Can't. Unbeatable. God has a history of backing winners, crushing losers. Lucifer is very naughty. God ain't afraid of the big L. |
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The song Susudio is pretty good evidence that there is in fact no god |
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xltronic: not a place for learns |
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AFAIK Judaism doesn't promise an afterlife. They say there might be a leader who would bring all the people in the world back to life. |
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Susudio is fucking great! That opening synth! |
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If a culture or group of people have no use for logic or rational thought how does mortality even process for them? |
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I wish I had the patience to read some wordy anthropology, like Malinowski |
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I agree that the synth in sussudio is great, |
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Colundi is a Neligion, led by a mysterious character known only as The Dood... It represents the common coincidences in philosophies of Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Atheism, Paganism, the Occult etc. |
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Does the dood drink white Russians and Paralyzer's? |
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ay,sup with sudden Times New Roman on here sup with that. sup |
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personally i think everything is a dude |
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It's because worldviews aren't formed on either a) hard empirical scientism, or b) plucking an option out of the sky. |
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it's because people have an innate tendency to anthropomorphize the impersonal |
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What do you mean by the impersonal? Anthropomorphisms aplenty for sure. |
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I know what you mean by impersonal. I'm just curious why you called it that. How is something impersonal? |
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What are the properties requisite to a person? Consciousness, self consciousness, agency, intent, possibly sentiment and sensation. Lacking all of those: that's impersonal. Religion imputes agency and intent to nature or aspects of nature. In its simplest form this is animism. In more sophisticated forms you have monotheism, so the forces and phenomena themselves do not have intent but were designed. In the most sophisticated versions of monotheism, guys like Paul Tillich talk about God as "being itself" and question whether we should even use the term God because of the anthropomorphic baggage that brings with it. |
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people choose god because they 'know' it's true |
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Because Satan. |
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Karma does not exist. I believe one should have a code that follows some humanistic line of reasoning, but karma is not real, or grossly misunderstood and too broadly defined. Often used as a symbol of retributive discipline, and issuance of guilt. At best I'd grant Karma as being some vague acknowledgement of Newton's Third law with regards to transference |
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Karma is real and you will pay for your cavalier attitude. Several weighty bags of karma have been fastened to your ectoplasm in retribution. Woe betide you. |
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I believe all religions and beliefs are true, as the energy gathered from worshiping or believing, actually pushes boundaries within your life. All religion get their milk from the same omni-potent energy tittie - which is just that if you believe in anything strongly, it will transcend you. Even believing in the freedom of atheism, ironic as it might seem, gathers energy to a transcendence withing the subject. Maybe Buddhism comes closer to the real thing, by just accepting the energy more than a god. |
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Gathered? What energy gathered? Who is gathering it? Why is it energy gathered and not expended? How is it boundary pushing, worship is a form of habit or ritual. That is has the effect of pushing boundaries (what boundaries?) is suspect at the least, considering habits and ritual can have adverse effects ie OCD, aspects of depression. I'd like to know more about these boundary pushing effects. Transcendence does not necessarily result in positive outcomes. It is not a phenomena that only religious or meditative practitioners can achieve. |
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If you ask who gathered it, you might as well say it was a omnipotent god. I just believe it's "there" - like the existence of the universe.. Energies can be everything from a notion, static in the air, or the ripple-effect of any decision throughout. It's true that not all transcendence has a positive outcome, but it has an outcome nonetheless. If you worship a religion, and your translation of that religion is to kill everyone around you - then your transcendence is definitely not positive - but it does accumulate a giant amount of energy, in the hurt that follows. I'm basically saying that whatever you are comfortable with as a human is the right thing. The consequences are the mark of what you choose to believe in. It's just my own theory. Not anything that's written anywhere, but I choose to believe it, and anyone who reads this and is influenced by it, is thereby affected by the energy of my belief. |
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We also know that this energy has intelligence (self awareness). Everyone needs to come to their own conclusions, and to do so without prejudice. Dismissing one side as irrational is childish, life doesn't manifest purely around rationality and predicate calculus, potentialities surround us. Ever experienced love? Spooky action at a distance? Or creativity? These surpass rationality. Square root of -1 yo. People choose their doctrine in order to fulfil some meaning to their lives, and most people can't imagine neglecting this choice, even if it blinds them. None of us can escape life without some application of faith, one way or another. |
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youtube watch?v=VOsmL8GI4TA |
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It's true, afterlife is not part of TNK, mostly benefits from yahweh are given to one's descendants. also belief and free will are not a part of it, which is along the lines of the bronze age law-code period (10 commandments <-> code of hammurabi etc.), that doesn't come along until NT & quran period. TNK -> obey god christian bible -> love god quran -> fear god actually the concept of "fiery hell" is probably vedic/buddhist sources. |
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I saw a book about Hell from the perspective of Pure Land Buddhism that had the most thorough and gory vision of afterlife torture... Clive Barker couldn't have done better. Medieval European woodcuts look like Tintin in comparison. |
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My girlfriend is into reincarnation. It makes for interesting conversation, though I find the idea of coming back here, again, and again rather depressing. Knowing my luck I just keep coming back as myself. |
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My girlfriend is into spiritualism, crystal therapy all that sort of pseudo-scientific stuff, when i was younger i used to get really pissed off at it now i just let her get on with it, |
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to me anything that isn't falsifiable, like string theory (even though it is interesting) isn't worth discussing without some sort of empirical evidence. I used to love to debate polemics, philosophy personal beliefs, but as i get older i started to realise it just ends up going round and round the same topics and never resolves into any sort of consensus, the only person ive managed to convince anything of anything is myself. |
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Why choose God, when you can choose Phil Collins? |
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Same! So yeah, chachmaster3000, God is the unknown as well. That's part of the idea. People rarely say they know God, they mention belief, and faith. Why choose anything? For me the coin is spinning, and I'm still puzzled as to why people are so obstinate in having to choose a side of the coin, even though it's spinning. I think it must be comforting, and helps people deal with what should really be a bit of a head fuck. |
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I think I found something https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvsb-B0fTB8 |
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Crystal therapy and a lot of the pop-type spiritual shiz is not pseudo-science, though. Most are just not good enough to use any ability at a scientific level. |
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Most people abhor flux; more so perpetual flux. So, people choose [deity] because: 1. From intellectual POV, it's beyond disproof, so right off the bat it has more stability than any science-based "happy place". 2. Even from an absolutely agnostic POV, it's something that's literally time-proven. So regardless what/who/how/etc, it is at least as much of a known as any alternative. History proves that it "works". |
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Another question in the same ballpark, and IMO particularly pertinent in our time, is "Why age?" Aging is clearly not a required thing, and yet if you impartially, dispassionately ask people you will get mostly some very twisted rationalizations for all of the suffering and injustice that aging imposes on humans and their environment. There's a lot of talk about sustainability, and basically all of the issues in question are rooted in material and energy scarcity. Time is arguably the elephant in the room. Given enough time, pretty much anything is solvable/doable. |
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Aging is "required" to promote having to sexorz. That being said, human aging can be slowed down to almost nothing, but a main point about that is that most people are generally lazy. The human body being in a certain state, that state will be modified by environment. Point being that it takes a lot of upkeep and MAINTENANCE to stay "young", and most people don't care enough to put in the effort. Even organisms that have biological immortality turned on in their DNA, they still die, due to environment. So given the laziness of general humans, if they were to easily live several hundred years, they would probably end up being disgusting examples of lifeforms. Like those people who are over 500 pounds in their 20's. Extend that to several hundred years? Fucking monolithic disgustingness. |
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they just developed a mouse pill that stops aging in mice so I'm feeling pretty good. |
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As concisely as possible: 0. You don't need aging to fuck, and IMHO being less rushed into parenthood is overall Good. More wealth, more wisdom, etc. 1. Slouches, yes. There'll always be some, there's arguably never been so many, and probably it'll get worse overall. But not everyone's that way, and IMHO the prospect of multiple times as long to live (esp. considering what could happen in the next few centuries) will multiply that divergence. 2. Health overall has been improving. We already live longer and healthier. 20somes can basically get away with anything, and mature aging therapy ought to basically rolls damage back to 20s-30s (if only 40s, no big deal: 40s are plenty good way to live). The interesting things will be e.g. how neverending growth of some things like your ears (IIRC! haha) is dealt with. Y. Those that don't do take care of themselves will die, regardless. No change there, except for the bonus of actually having a choice. Z. Aging must be cured because (and generally this is one of the hardest things for people to concede, apparently even to themselves) it is effectively self-imposed torture. Agony for years and then a death sentence; and no death sentence for someone unwilling is fair. It's basically status quo for Capital Punishment, but somehow people do not see the equivalence. Aging is an amazingly deep rooted custom. |
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"You don't need aging to fuck" But if you age rapidly, you could die sooner. I was just talking about aging and dying and sexingz, from an animalistic perspective. I'm quite serious that aging is reversible, but it's generally not worth the effort. I believe that pain in the ass nature of maintenance is one of the beautiful aspects of life; emphasizing the fragility of it all and insignificance of even dying. I used to make people younger for a living. I was the prototype, and I've let myself age rapidly and reversed it. My techniques are highly advanced and I have over 20 years experience, but even from a very very simplistic sense, anyone can reverse ill effects of aging by: eating healthy, regular exercise, regular sleep, regular stretching, mentally stimulating activity (abstract skills and learning new things), laughing and being happy. Take out even one of those things, and the whole system cannot work most efficiently. All of it must be done. |
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Death seems pretty logical to me. It makes us what we are. That we have a limited amount time to do things, even though people seem to forget that. I'm thinking eternal youth would be for beings who don't procreate. |
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what if we do a Logan's Run thing, with lots of DTF Jessica 6s and so |
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i get the feeling im going to be on my death bed and thinking to myself "what the fuck was that all about" |
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Or perhaps you'll be thinking what prolly people who've ever cared to think were thinking... "Whoa, mang- dat was a fucking trip~" |
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On my deathbed I'm going to try to replicate Kirk's death scene iin Generations: "It was... fun! ...oh my...!" |
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