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loaaaads of people trapped inside islam have been waiting for the west to talk about them. they hoped we would help liberate them the way we liberated ourselves from religion. afterall we were the free ones and our only real task was to listen to people all over the world who were not as free as us. but we said our freedom must not be exported or shared. chomsky greenwald all of those guys..they said it was imperialism. they even said our modern freedom was secretly evil. and the immigrants who we claimed were now equal citizens in our countries were treated as if they didnt need our 'white' freedoms. thats racist guys. |
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Ampi, I think you need to be more analytical, literally, in the sense of taking things apart instead of putting them together. You're trying to eat something bigger than your head in one bite, glomming all these different issues together, looking for a single solution to a lot of disparate problems. |
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u sure? |
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because internal dissent is squashed |
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in some african states there have been demonstrations agains Isis |
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that's disgraceful, disgraceful for the human race. and it's not the only disgraceful thing posted on this site right now |
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Yes I'm sure, you dipshit. |
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"that's disgraceful, disgraceful for the human race. and it's not the only disgraceful thing posted on this site right now" Islamic relativism. |
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I've told AMPI before how I feel. He's too keen, and to me appears confused. |
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what does it mean? |
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It means I'd love to lock you two in a room, where you beat the crap of each other, then cry, then hug, talk, get fed up, and then realise you're never coming out again muahahahahahaha! |
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It means that there's a widely held belief that criticising Islam, or drawing a cartoon, is somehow conflatable with the act of murdering people en masse in cold blood. Pity you're yet another depressing apologist. But not suprising. |
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hes not an apologist he just dosnt know enough about this stuff yet |
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most of us dont @ fleetmouse tell me what i need to rethink ok |
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i might be depressing but not an apologist you dick |
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no, i would read him the chapter of a book i'm reading about the relationship between sufism and taoism and make things clear about what's coming from islamic passage in terms of knowledge to the west and then talk. i'm not muslim yet i have to apologize cos of a surname, that's pretty funny indeed. imagine if i was a muslim. i would not be ashamed to say the same things. |
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It was a metaphor. It's touchy subject, and I think we're all being touchy, maybe a tad defensive when we don't need to be. I'm so full of love right now. I don't give a fuck. I'm fed up with this idea that we have to choose a side. As if it was compulsory for a human, so he can have an identity. So that he can be defined. Atheist or believer, politically on the left or on the right, republican or democrat, creationist or evolutionist. I say fuck it all. I doubt the truth is only in one place. : ) |
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Lol, but the truth IS in one place, thats why creationists can't teach their ideology at universities and schools. |
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When we say Islam we're not talking minority hippy interest suffism |
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you failed to explain me what's Islamic relativism then you spit on Islamic esoterism, stuff than you can find in Dante's Divine Comedy |
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is a good read. Enlightening but chilling. Writing ISIS off as nothing more than non-Muslim psychos is naive and dangerous. The atrocities aren't the result of distorting sections of the Koran, but taking them literally. I don't have any solutions, I only hope they destroy themselves. |
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woah dudes, it's been cool reading back on all this. RussellDust - Massive props my friend, you have a strong grasp on what's really going on within the arab/muslim identity. BTW Lebanon is shag central dude you must visit. SignedUpToLOL - I understand where you're coming from. While most muslims wouldn't understand you (literally), I'm personally keen on dialogue. I see a parallel between (what I think is) your perspective, and my own brother's. |
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You're looking for a political ideology that solves and integrates politics, economics, culture, ethnicity, religion, secularism, art, music, international relations... you don't want an ideology, you want a . |
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Mr. motown - You said it right unfortunately, the constant chaos and air-time coverage shows us that da3esh (our name for isis) have in fact become the loudest voice in the region. Young generations coming to age will have never known a thriving and peaceful middle east. This is how history repeats itself my friends. |
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I've been a hot-headed ass in this thread and I genuinely apoligise, in particular to debaser and XLT's mohammed. I guess it's hard to criticise something BIG and highly inflammable without upsetting blameless indiviuduals, something I really don't want to do. I hope the extremists burn themselves out, that they cause such repulsion across the board that they are rejected and no longer supported or able to operate. I guess we have to do what we are able to accomplish ourselves, in our own environment. Do what we can to counter unreason, be kind, and be understanding. And please, try not to set fire to each other. |
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no need to apologize |
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he did not apologize. he apoligized. |
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then no need to apoligize. heh |
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i tried reading that but it's just too long |
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read it dude. we all need to read way more at xltronic |
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Yeah that's an incredible article. Real Talk, from a reputable source - articles that are this errrr "blunt" usually come from western conservative people or magazines that discredit themselves with poor research, sloganeering, hysteria, xenophobia and bias. |
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What makes you think people don't read here? |
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shit i been giving u dudes loads of articles like that. its like u never noticed but FINE whatever ykno. Today, people in the West tend to believe the ills of the age are racism, colonialism, and militarism. The world’s only Jewish country has done less harm than most countries on earth, and more good—and yet when people went looking for a country that would symbolize the sins of our new post-colonial, post-militaristic, post-ethnic dream-world, the country they chose was this one. When the people responsible for explaining the world to the world, journalists, cover the Jews’ war as more worthy of attention than any other, when they portray the Jews of Israel as the party obviously in the wrong, when they omit all possible justifications for the Jews’ actions and obscure the true face of their enemies, what they are saying to their readers—whether they intend to or not—is that Jews are the worst people on earth. The Jews are a symbol of the evils that civilized people are taught from an early age to abhor. International press coverage has become a morality play starring a familiar villain. --- i suppose this article is too ziocon for u fleetmouse? i feel it helps explain the point i made in [#02484579] which u said was crazy. like i was searching for god or somthing.. bit insulted tbh |
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u ? its good i think but u would think its evil |
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I would think it's evil, why? |
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Just check your privileges before and after reading it, and you will be fine. |
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Sorry Monoid, I have no idea what that means. |
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Good! |
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That's the first time you've been a prick to me. Congrats! |
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Jeezus, just don't try to behead me now, just...just don't, ok!! |
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You seem a bit weird 'today'. First you don't wish to let me understand what you're telling me. And now this. Maybe your humour is lost on me. Sorry! |
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Jesus, your lack avatar is shit. I hope you don't think that it means I want pain inflicted on you. |
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i havnt really read much graeme wood but turns out it was his review that made me wanna buy (about the camp david accords. havnt got it yet). its by Lawrence Wright the guy who did The Looming Tower which is recommended by Sam Harris. all cool stuff thx horsefactory |
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That is a great article. Thx4postin. |
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But people here don't read! |
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here is the video |
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the analogy that if the branch davidians won at waco and had 8 million followers was quite helpful, seems like a bit of intractable situation, more scary than i thought. |
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Hehe, it was a long article. But well worth the read imo. |
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christian holocaust 1000000 dead |
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good link indeed, thx. ----------------------------- and here's my rant below: I don't think Isis give any amount of shit whether people here at xltronic read or not. They seem not to listen to or read any of the western world "bullshit". Remember Fahrenheit 451 ? That's what will happen to the world today. The western world is used to endlessly babbling about things. Sometimes it's shocking how much we're steered by media constantly jumping from topic to topic. While recently watching Nightcrawler I thought about those things - how media-driven society "we" are. "We at xltronic" - people from "democratic" and "civilised" countries. So educated, so advanced. And yet, with all our laws, regulations, UN, NATO, EU etc. we seem helpless when some tyrants like Putin appear. Who sends troops and pretends nothing happened. Sorry to any US citizens here, but all I can hear Obama and the rest of the *good* guys - his european buddies - say is "terrorism must be stopped. something must be done" *applause*. Peace Noble price ! WOW ! While in the meantime those islamic bad guys reply "stop my ass" and videotape cutting another throat. That's my "average citizen" view of things. In a pill. This is all ridiculous. Maybe agent Smith from Matrix was right: humans are a disease, a virus killing this planet. They will most likely burn themselves in the name of abstract ideas. |
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