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I'm getting real tired of finding releases i want to buy in a lossless digital format, that i can only buy in vinyl. Take Dave Monolith for example - where can i buy that in lossless? Or the new Thom Yorke, that you could buy in mp3, but you had to buy the vinyl if you wanted FLAC - what the fuck man? There shouldn't be any reason for you as a consumer to be limited to only one format, and the only reason vinyl is such a hit, is because it's the last format know to man, where some dimwit middleman can earn a buck on a creative artists work. Vinyl isn't about warmth or quality anymore - it's about commerce. And for the sake of my economy and our (often small) living-space, we should be able to buy fully lossless format instead. I really feel Bandcamp is leading the way here with choose-your-format selling, but everybody else (including Warp), go for pay-for-your-quality type of shit. To play FLAC you'll only need a computer - most have more than 24bit/96khz converters nowadays, and therefore recreate the source with much detail. To listen to vinyl, you'll have to have main components; an RIAA-amplifier, a recordplayer and a pickup - all are quality dependent - which means, that if just one of these are in low quality, it'll affect your whole experience. So we just keep upgrading and upgrading - welcome to consumerism 101. Vinyl is great - it sounds great - it's a nice format and it brings nostalgia, but you know what - it's an outdated niche that should belong to the collectors only, not to be pushed for the mainstream. The only reason we are being pushed to buy vinyl is because it's an economical disaster for any company to stock up with something, that sells slowly - especially with something that often requires you to press 300 copies. It's easy to see through, and as long as money is being thrown into that nostalgic oh-hear-the-warmth bullshit that is vinyl, I'll say fuck vinyl and give money to the artists instead. |
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Meow. I love vinyl and hate every other format. |
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And you have the perfect right to do that - but it's kinda like religion, where you don't want people to push it to you. A nonphysical alternative has to be present. |
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email the artist and threaten to upload their vinyl to the internet. |
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or just go on soulseek but I want to support the artists you see - that's why it's such a stupid thing to go for the vinyl niche, instead of going for the ever-growing digital music community. |
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I'm pro releasing in all formats! I love buying my vinyls and get the digital release with it ☺ |
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Monolith has said he's going to release things in digital (including these most recent EPs), we all just need to be patient. (I'm in the same boat as you.) I think the trend is moving in the direction of everything being digital. There will be some holdouts (e.g., Vibert?), but even so things do seem to be improving. |
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Anyone who says "vinyls" is a prick. |
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FLAC is a physical format. Shannon demonstrated that all information is physical. |
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Nothing is stopping Monolith from releasing digital, let alone holding him back. It's not like where waiting for it to finish on the "digital factory". His product was digital to begin with. Any holdup could eventually just be the fact that vinyl sells slow, stock is high, and withholding the digital forces the customer to buy vinyl. Which really sucks for the rest of us - and it sucks for Monolith even more so, since I can't pay him for the product I want. |
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Oh, sorry there spelling-nazi |
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Okay then. But how do I then describe the a physical media in our (human) physical perception? |
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You didn't say "vinyls", it's not a typo. People who deliberately say "vinyls", some infantile plural for "a vinyl record", are pricks. |
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I didn't, but -crazone did? |
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*candypack. |
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Oh fuck off you boring twat. |
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the record distributers and labels like vinyls > cds cuz the distribution model is differnt. with cds the record stores can return the un sold cds 2 the distributer for a full refund but there not allowed 2 return un sold vinyls. so if a recordstore wants 2 sell a record n its a flop all of the risk now is on the store not the distributer and label and thats the real reason of the marketing push 4 vinyls in the last decade+ plus the music media who broadcasts that narrative doesnt have any friendlyness 2wards the recordstores outside lip service but they definitly do for the labels n distributers (thanks 2 decades of getting free cd and other stuff, ad money etc |
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Now that's what I call avatars vol.1. |
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I get your point. I haven't bought a new CD in a store in years. I order everything online - I do collect CD's, but that's mainly because I have a nice stereo for it, and I can back it up in any format I choose. I just saw that is putting their stuff up on Bandcamp now, through the new labels accounts - so I guess there is some hope that might catch on to other labels, and this psychical formfactor war might be washed out. Again, I'm not against preferences in audio-medium - I just think a lossless digital version should be accessible through every purchase. |
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Go listen to your vinyls |
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Might as well join in! I don't want DJs who only mix with CDs, and computers. Two turntables (and a microphone), I hope that won't ever die As you mention, people are attached to that analogue sound, personally it's something I treasure. The big sleeve to look at, the magic that the slab of vinyl you're about to put on your player actually holds music, and unlike with CDs, there's something far more tactile going on. And surely you mean no disrespect to all those who grew up with vinyl, and are creatures of habit. "Vinyl isn't about warmth or quality anymore - it's about commerce." Yes, all those idiots who don't need vinyl but think they do. Silly Billies! ;) You're dead right about not being able to get all formats on certain releases, but that's sometimes up to the artist, not just the label. They make an effort now to include download codes, but it's always MP3s. |
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I have a small collection of vinyls - I'd say around 80. I think that if someone could give them all to me in exchange for legal FLAC-versions, I'd do so. Sure, I'll miss the white Trans Canada Highway vinyl and the transparent blue-paint splattered Black Moth Super Rainbow - but when it comes to fidelity, I personally like the depth (bitrate/hz) more than the warmth. Maybe my ears are fucked up - who knows. I have around 600 CD's and those 100 vinyl releases. The last couple of years I've been moving around a lot, and I had to store the heavy lot for half a year. All my CD's were still perfectly accessible to me, 'cause everything I rip, I rip in FLAC and mp3. But the vinyls were behind bars for that period, and that really made me realize the (/my) vinyl dilemma. Since then I have only bought a few releases (often at release-parties), but I really don't listen to them enough. There's also something about the timespan of a vinyl-records playing-time. The fact that I have to turn the record really fucks with my attention-span, while doing other stuff. When putting on a CD, or even better, a playlist - the music can continue for much longer without interrupting me. I'm really happy that I bought the Stanton SCS4DJ 3 or 4 years ago - I've been DJ'ing so many times with that unit - much better than I ever did with vinyls or CD's. It's just one little digital unit with all my music on and nothing connected to it - not even a laptop. It has earned in it's own price at least 5 times since i bought it. DJ'ing vinyl is an art - an expensive art - and like you, I hope someone will keep on doing it in the future, for my own listening- and viewing-pleasure - butvinyl not in any way an obligation for playing good music, making new techniques, or sounding better. |
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All this bitching over not being able to listen to Thom Yorke's solo album in high fidelity. |
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For what you need, you make perfect sense. I forgot to mention the wonderful feeling of walking into a second hand music shop to see if you can find some long lost record with that perfect hook, or drum kick, or whatever to sample. Picking up a load of records and moving that needle across bit by bit to get the feel of whatever weird album you're on. I'm being romantic of course. I'd say most prominent Hip Hop producers who have been here for a while depend on vinyl not just for sampling, but also to discover new stuff that might never be properly made to a digital format. Do you think in the future, sampling from records could die out? |
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Anyone who says "Anyone who says "vinyls" is a prick. " is a prick. |
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Anyone who says ""Anyone who says "vinyls" is a prick" is a prick", is a prick. In fact anyone who says """Anyone who says "vinyls" is a prick"" is a prick", is a prick", is a prick. |
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ne1s want to prick up a vinyls cheap price, crates diving, call my email |
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I will buy any vinyls, regardless of what's etched into them, I am a collector of recordses. I wills alsos buys tapeses and compacts discs'ses. |
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I always prick up when I hear someone talking about vinyls. |
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So buy a 2nd hand turntable and quit your moaning |
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Hey junktion! I remember seeing your rant about just vinyl and dave monolith. Go check bleep! Full digital release there man under Mnlth. Hope that helps! |
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Flacs |
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it's fun having your own music cut on wax to play with |
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ovuca colundi 8 wire recording reel? |
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I agree that vinyl only is just not from the current times anymore and should always have a side option of digital formats. Luckily most of this is solved though by doing so ! What I hate more about vinyl is the whole way it judges what artists are supposed to be good and who aren't really to be taken seriously. The format often just forms the opinions for others because they are being so pushed. It's a cycle really; you're an artist who wants to be serious > make something that sells > labels ask for something that sells > label makes record > artist is selling > artist makes more music that sells > etc But that's how it's supposed to work, no label wants to end up with stacks of vinyl. I've had to experience this nonsense already too many times now. |
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Duly noted! thanks! Fah; Exactly dude! Same experience here. |
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vinyl only is stupid but it's always up to whoever puts the music out in the end (as it should be). if something is on vinyl it's because someone wants to pay for it, so either they are deranged/passionate about the music and/or know that it'll recoup the cost. |
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