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offline Jaser from Castle Greyskull (United Kingdom) on 2012-10-23 21:44 [#02443406]
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Is it slowly happening or not. I have been buying a few.
Aphex Re-Issues. What do you reckon. What are you habits
musically have you gone fully digital? I am interested :)


 

offline -crazone from smashing acid over and over on 2012-10-23 21:46 [#02443407]
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vinyl will return!


 

offline spculum from MÜÜT on 2012-10-23 21:58 [#02443408]
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vinyl, tapes & cd's are here to stay


 

offline hedphukkerr from mathbotton (United States) on 2012-10-23 22:20 [#02443409]
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vinyl and tapes have staying power, cd's and other physical
digital media do not.


 

offline recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2012-10-23 22:36 [#02443410]
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same.


 

offline staz on 2012-10-23 22:41 [#02443411]
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vinyl is definitely not dying at the moment, dunno what the
future holds but i'm glad it's still kickin'.


 

offline drill rods from 6AM-8PM NO PARKING (Canada) on 2012-10-24 01:30 [#02443424]
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Vinyl will most certainly not die out any time soon, it is
here to stay. In other news, I think there is a world market
for maybe five computers, and there is no good reason anyone
would want to own a computer in their home.


 

offline freqy on 2012-10-24 03:34 [#02443429]
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vinyls from analogue systems is very nice.



 

offline Jaser from Castle Greyskull (United Kingdom) on 2012-10-24 12:01 [#02443442]
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So greatly exaggerated. Yeh :) The prediction then. I like
it. It is just the way the sleeves get knocked and damaging
during normal use annoys me. I have started using protective
sleeves, but they still get damaged. Any top tips?


 

offline obara from Aalsmeer on 2012-10-24 12:29 [#02443443]
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one day bedroom producers will cut vinyl records in their
bedroom studios just like nowadays they spit out buckets of
mp3s


 

offline jnasato from 777gogogo (Japan) on 2012-10-24 12:30 [#02443444]
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I walk around Cairo streets with custom made headphones that
have a vertical turntable on the R side. Battery pack in
backpack. Like radio headphones, but turntable. People
look at me like WTF?, but then I Melbourne Shuffle my way to
victory-lane-tronica.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2012-10-24 12:31 [#02443445]
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Top Tip: If you have any really valuable/much loved record,
transfer them to a generic blank white cardboard sleeve,
with a paper liner. You can then store your sleeves in
airtight bags, away from harmful UV rays and protected from
knocks by putting them in a spare vinyl flightcase. The
other advantage, if you DJ is that you can write the title,
BPM, track names, RPM, notes about what mixes well into it,
notes about where there are lockgrooves, etc. on the
cardboard itself in marker pent.

It is 100 times easier to read fat black marker on bright
white card in a dimly lit nightclub, than it is to squint at
the (often very minimal) info on the record centre sticker.

If you have even a modicum of artistic talent, drawing your
own sleeve art on them makes flicking through your box of
records even easier than using the original sleeves in many
cases as they really leap out at you and you never forget
what that design that you drew was for. Even now, without
getting up, I know that the vinyl with a blue hand drawn on
it is a house/dance mix tool, even though I've not used it,
or even looked at it for over 5 years.

This re-sleeving technique is also useful for boxed sets,
those stupid see through slip cases picture disks come in
and any other non-standard packaging that "wacky" record
labels come up with. EG Analord binder. My Analord binder
has been opened all of three times and sits in its original
packaging on my shelf. The vinyl has all been transferred to
separate white card sleeves with paper liners. When we're 75
and forced to sell all our worldly possessions to pay for
our nursing care, my binder will be the most sought-after of
all. :D


 

offline Kullin on 2012-10-24 14:18 [#02443449]
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my dog actually walks upon my analord binder pretty often as
its lying on the floor, i play it quite often & dont give a
damn :-P
good records needs to be played.. its a techno record, not
fucking mona lisa


 

offline IJO on 2012-10-24 14:28 [#02443450]
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Just because of us, vinyl lovers, it wont go away any time
soon.



 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2012-10-24 22:37 [#02443499]
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reminds me of PCs, really. people announcing the death of
the PC and saying we'll all be using iPads in the future.
this is overstating things

PCs won't ever sell again like they did in the 90s, vinyl
won't ever sell like it did in the 60s. neither will
disappear


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2012-10-24 22:44 [#02443500]
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When did you buy your last Walkman?


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2012-10-24 22:48 [#02443501]
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couple months ago, in a thrift shop. general electric brand,
which i'd not seen before. 3-band graphic equalizer on the
lid.


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2012-10-24 22:52 [#02443502]
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I don't believe you. You may have bought some trousers from
your hypothetical shrift shop.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2012-10-24 23:14 [#02443503]
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here's proof

it's now more than theoretical. in my universe, quinn has a
masters in physics


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2012-10-24 23:26 [#02443505]
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I can't see a sales receipt anywhere? Did you post the right
picture?


 

offline betamaxheadroom on 2012-10-25 01:00 [#02443523]
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your last 4 or so sporadic releases were all on vinyl? hard
to argue against that :P hope yr well btw =)


 

offline Torture Garden from Feelin' 2Pacish on 2012-10-25 11:06 [#02443546]
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dat oscilloscope sec c


 

offline Jaser from Castle Greyskull (United Kingdom) on 2012-10-25 13:11 [#02443553]
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Thanks for the advice. ceri! I don't play out with vinyls,
so you careful approach seems a bit extreme to me. Plus you
don't get to enjoy the artwork that way. Sort of defeats the
point slightly for me. thanks anyway.


 

offline jnasato from 777gogogo (Japan) on 2012-10-26 21:13 [#02443645]
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FOR ALL YOU TAPE LOVERS: You may use this tape idea for
your ultra lush IDM punk house step tracks, etc. This shit
is the shit, and is the ultra shit of the tape shits. What
you need to do after buying your 2nd hand cassette player,
is modify the motors by potentiometer and possibly upping
input juice. By making your tape player record at several
times the normal speed, you can turn your shit deck into a
hi-res analog monster, still capable of being saturated and
outputting lush lazerz. When playing back tracks, you can
twiddle the potentiometer to have realtime speed control.
The main benefit of this is to record your tracks hi-res
onto tape, then mix the output 50% or so with the original,
to add the oomph to your tinny digital crap. Even lo-fi
shit tape sounds amazing.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2012-10-27 06:26 [#02443667]
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how do u overcome pwm stepper motor logic hax ?


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2012-10-27 07:07 [#02443668]
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i'll save you a google


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2012-10-27 07:09 [#02443669]
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They sell these as grab bags at Radioshat.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2012-10-27 08:15 [#02443671]
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this thread now has its own official fuckin youtube video


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2012-11-01 20:20 [#02443923]
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that's not a Walkman®

That's a generic portable cassette player, made by General
Electric.


 

offline wavephace from off the chain on 2012-11-02 01:01 [#02443931]
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hey oscillisk get over urself u turd brain pendant


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2012-11-02 08:14 [#02443948]
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At a birthday party for someone at the office, the person
declared the "1/12 of people born this month" to be the best
evar. I replied, "Well, TECHNICALLY, more people are born
during the summer. Haven't you ever heard where the name
JASON comes from? July, August, September, October,
November.... People like to keep warm in those winter
months, you know?"

From the back of the room, someone dryly remarked: "God,
there's ALWAYS one of those guys...." and he didn't mean a
JASON


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2012-11-02 09:36 [#02443953]
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"Plus you don't get to enjoy the artwork that way."

Ah, but I do...

My favourite artwork is framed and hung on the wall.

EG:


Attached picture

 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2012-11-02 09:49 [#02443956]
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i enjoyed the united acid emirates artwork very much. aside
from the cover, each side had a different ceephax sweater
pattern on it.


 

offline Falito from Balenciaga on 2012-11-02 11:38 [#02443960]
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cool!


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2012-11-08 18:10 [#02444260]
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go back to making dupe accounts on xlt and watmm,
metallicadude


 

offline RussellDust on 2012-11-08 18:44 [#02444261]
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Vinyl will die.


 

offline J198 from Maastricht (Netherlands, The) on 2012-11-23 07:40 [#02444887]
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what about this doomsday story of the last vinyl pressing
machines dying and no repairs being possible, thus pressing
crappier quality vinyl until they finally break down?


 

offline gingaling from Scamworth (Burkina Faso) on 2012-11-23 17:01 [#02444900]
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funny boys


 

offline sk8erbetty from Morgantown (United States) on 2012-11-23 20:11 [#02444908]
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to me nothing could replace the warm fuzzy sound of a vinyl
record.


 

offline freqy on 2012-11-23 21:12 [#02444909]
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how many types of vinyl are there , cheap , really
expensive?
If you press a record do you have the choice of the
material?

maybe someone one day invent a new type of vinyls that can
contain more analog information with less noise or whatnot?


surly there is hope for vinyalz.





 

offline diamondtron on 2012-11-24 05:57 [#02444924]
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death of vinyl.. yep new vinyl will die, when all the
machinery breaks or plastic biprodcuts are legislated
against etc. it continues because so many people make music
in their bedrooms and now have instant access to more
likeminds than ever. someone will always be prepared to
press up their own or their friends work if they like it.
you can make 500, sell that many if you are lucky, still not
really make a profit and still be chuffed. or just sell 50,
have it reviewed somewhere and all over record shops that
week, stomach the loss and still be chuffed. with 7 billion
people on earth, you can make 500 copies of someone burping
and sell them. or 500 copies of lush music thats actually
totally overlooked. selling more than that tho is what would
save vinyl. very rare that tho, have you seen how many
records on boomkat are 133 copies for the world or ltd
edition 500 etc. it will go on to satisfy people's
vanity/self interest as long as their are new kids in the
world growing up into adults. but i doubt it will expand
because technics dont even make the turntables any more.
it's just a lovely throwback of the old days, has it's own
particular high quality, doesnt involve typing or looking at
radioactive screens. you can talk and smoke and dance in the
dark etc. so old vinyl will continue for old codger
mentality people or their grandchildren. people can download
all new music for free, decide 6 months later to get it on
vinyl cheaper than new via discogs possibly an unsold one
from the person that made the record in the first place and
then... ha ha ha ah ah


 

offline diamondtron on 2012-11-24 06:02 [#02444925]
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nb this applies to cd's just as much if not moreso. dont
mean to single out vinyl.
buying mp3's that require so much less effort/investment to
market is less satisfying in many ways (moreso for the
artist than the purchaser) but also so convenient in many
ways


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2012-11-24 06:13 [#02444926]
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if vinyl dies, where will dj's buy their timecode discs ?

in all seriousness, i'm waiting for some genius to figure
out how to cut vinyl with a laser, and make it economical to
just burn 'em like CDs (will CDs die? that's a harder one to
call; they're less charismatic (which is why they aren't
selling now)). dodge the issue of having to microlathe some
master disc and sell "blank" vinyl instead of unmelted
donuts to be used in a press. sell the machine for $5k and
have a bunch of dudes start home businesses doing small
lots. it'd be like a t-shirt press.

no idea if the physics and chemistry allow that particular
approach, but i figure there's SOME way to use modern tech
to vastly cheapen vinyl production.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2012-11-24 06:26 [#02444927]
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CDs provide an analogy: when you buy a mass-market CD, it's
silver. they press it like records; they make a master first
(it's called "going gold" in the tech industry). but if you
burn a CD, it's a one-off.... if you could do vinyl like
that, it'd turn the economics on its head. after from the
burner, you pay per disc. you don't have to gamble, scrape
together cash, get 500 pressed. just hook up with some guy
doing it as a home biz and do it made-to-order, burn the
record after the order is placed


 

offline diamondtron on 2012-11-24 06:34 [#02444929]
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alive and good ideas but still a labor or love or sharing or
self-obsession rather than viable business commercial
industry (for the artist/label mostly, maybe the one
manufacturer of these might do well out of it). i.e. it has
been mostly dead since 2000 but will not totally die until
civilization collapses or theres no electricity etc. i.e.
you can still get a wax cylinder produced if you want, there
is a company in uk, people still dick about with wire
recorders, elcassette etc. 100 odd years after invention...
every format is a unique shade.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2012-11-24 07:09 [#02444930]
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oh, it would certainly collapse the industry even further,
at least at first. the "direct to vinyl" guys would drive
the mass-scale vinyl guys out of business mostly, if not
entirely. anyone being able to have an mp3 turned to vinyl
would decrease the feeling of novelty. yet, unlike a wax
cylinder, vinyl would still be a well-supported
technology... and i wager wax cylinders don't sound very
good. vinyl does.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2012-11-24 07:18 [#02444931]
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i'd cite vistaprint as an analogy

cheap, small lots of business cards. drove some other
printers out of business via focusing on making small runs
cheap.


 

offline E-man from Rixensart (Belgium) on 2012-11-24 11:33 [#02444937]
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http://www.francetv.fr/culturebox/presser-ses-vinyles-a-la-
maison-cest-possible-87987

It's in French but you get the idea and you can google
further.
3.200€ for the starter kit.


 

offline diamondtron on 2012-11-24 12:34 [#02444939]
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vestax made something similar, among others.
cutting/mastering is an art learned over years tho (a lot of
experimental plates to cut) and crucially, the blanks to cut
these on cost 20-50 quid each. you'll probably wanna buy
some genelic or akg monitors, preamps, amps, all that
drubble, it will always be a great hobby for the wealthy
audiophile rather than the unemployed student, who are far
more in number and probably more in need of good tunes?


 

offline cronenburger from Ireland on 2012-11-24 18:11 [#02444950]
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it's still alive in my house anyway.


 


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