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heya fellas u probably heard about the film which is defo worth seeing. i have recently finished reading the book and i'd like to talk about it. the book is more specific and it's the subjects in the book i want to focus on. i hope you all want to join in |
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I've not read the book, but from what i understand from the film it raises a few questions about nature vs nurture |
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I have only seen the film but I'm intrigued to read the book to further understand the relationship between the mother and son. It was a very impressive film. Both Tilda Swinton and Ezra Miller were excellent and how I imagine it was intended. John C. Reilly seems a bit of a strange casting, but I'll wait until I have read the book to decide fully. |
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Eva is a kind and inteligent strong woman (not like in the film where she is a bit of a doormat) who is sort of separated from her geography and from any sense of national identity. Franklin, her partner, is a more republican type but he's very modern, friendly and works as a location scout. They seem to be having a marvelous relationship but then Eva begins to feel strange about the future and wants to 'do something'. Eva describes herself as wanting to find a 'new country' and writes about her disappointment that through all her travels across the world, there are still trees in every country. her desire to find a truely 'new country' is the reason she decides to have a baby with franklin (franklin goes along with the idea). when the baby is born it hates eva. almost instantly eva and kevin are battling. Franklin enjoys a happy relationship with kevin but kevin is lying to his father, pretending to enjoy his company. It turns out that he never loved his father; the guy that supported america and wanted to make the best of home rather than get to a 'new country'. it turns out the only person kevin ever loved was his mother (because at least she wasnt lying), but she was the one he wanted to utterly destroy. her and her 'new country'. Franklin was happy to round things up even if it wasnt the truth. Eva wanted to leave it behind for a world that didnt exist. They had a son and he came out smarter than both of them and full of contempt for what they both stood for. the book is set just before 9/11 and around the time of the school shootings in america. if i could personify this new century i think it would be kevin |
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the film is greta but it is a different story to the book. for example i find eva almost completely blameless in the book and i think she does everything she can to love and control kevin. in the film shes very quiet and weak and dosnt do enough. the film itself is ambiguous about whether she said or did terrible things to kevin and the story revolves around her mistakes. in the book i think it's franklins mistakes that are deadly. eva's desperation makes things worse |
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Had very similar feelings from the film. There seems to be a lot of discussion over the earliest scenes and relationship with her new born, which seems to have earned her character a lot of hate and blame. Yet I was unsure and felt sympathy for both sides. It seemed there was a a total love/hate relationship that could never ammount to anything positive, although possibly more so from the son if I'm honest, as at such a young age a childs instincts and desires are easily satisfied. Whilst there was a coldness from eva, there was more than a willing need to fix any problem from her, and Franklin was equally a problem with his ignorance. It was an extremely thought provoking film though, and one that I couldn't shake for a day or two after. Horrible in every sense, yet fascinating at the same time. |
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in the book the moment kevin is born he hates her tit and wont drink but dosnt cry when in franklins arms. there is also less emphasis on eva saying angry/hurtful things to kevin. eva says that it's like kevin was outraged at being born. eva admits that by having kevin she was trying to answer a 'big question' or see a 'new country' rather than actually wanting a child. as far as i can see that is the only mistake she ever made and i think that is the reason kevin hates her. eva gave him the burden of answering the 'big question' (like every parent does when having a child, you pass on the torch) but the answer is a strange kind of nothing. |
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i love the bit in the film where she asks kevin about celia's eye and he just peels and eats that lychee at the table. the implied violence is good in the film. the film seems to focus on how genetically similar kevin and eva are and how she is bound to live his fate, which is probably the exact feelings of mothers who have a child (a boy) that does something terrible like this. |
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looks intersting, ill have to check it out. |
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I enjoyed (?) the film, and it did make me want to read the book. It's epistolary isn't it? That can make a creepy book even creepier in my experience. When I've read it I'll come back... (prob in a few years) |
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I skimmed everything in this thread and I was hoping it was one of those brilliant zilty threads where everything was completely made up and everyone plays along with it and adds to it, but upon googling it really is just a tilda swinton movie you useless pile of cunt |
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heyy maaan! i dont mind being a cunty pile but never call me useless and tilda swizzle isnt the focus of what i am doing here fleetmang. look im just interested in this: - eva decides to have kevin to secure a kind of new future as if she would give birth to him and be transported. Her whole life she is searching for something and cant find it so she decides to have a baby. her life is a question she couldnt answer so she had a child as if kevin would answer it for her. but kevin really is the answer to the question and eva regrets it. you know what ive been saying about people are doing 'good' things for the wrong reasons? well this is what im getting at. for example this revolution thats building up all over the place is basically unnecessary but people want it and i think they are doing it to get to a 'new country' rather than actually doing the right things for the future they are supposed to want. eva had kevin to get to a 'new country' not because she actually wanted a child. it was her only sin and it was a grave one. eva is a very brave character but she was a scared child and perhaps a guilty person inside. writing travel guides and seeing the world became her thing because she had a strange restlessness in her heart as if sitting still in one place would leave her at the mercy of her ghosts. remember a while ago when i said that stuff like guilt were almost chasing us into these 'good things' that we are making and doing? eva was actually being selfish and kevin is outraged that he is forced to exist and be the flesh and blood manifestation of her stupid scared lie. maybe ykno i just want to debate this i dont want to preach |
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No no I like you, would probably wake up in bed drunk with you and make you eggs. The good eggs, the chicken ones, not centipede eggs. |
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the trailers look sweet, ill have to check this out tonight at the indie theater |
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