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anyone who can reccomend an effective way to do this? i don't want to go crazy after it, i was hoping for some homemade tips |
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also, how much you rely on stuff like this to make music? in which measure? sometimes i remember to consider a couple of values in the sub-bass - bass area, and going with them makes things cleaner. is there anyone who managed to focalize some general, usable values in the spectrum for simple music tasks, and suceeded at integrating them in their workflow? i mean without stopping the tweaks to look at frequencies, making choices afterwards. that sounds more like work than like flow. |
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i believe that avoiding to go through all the funny, unexpected sounds that come across, and working with a cage like that cuts a good part of the fun. making stuff by chart rather than making it by ear is the death of music. a musical suicide both in the listening and in the making bizness. |
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don't be shy |
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lol, fuck it already |
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i'm just going to warn you that elusive might chime in on this soon |
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step 1, tune ears to f32 |
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wut |
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sorry, old injoke. it's meaningless anyway, 32 could be base anything |
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its ok. shit has to be heard anyway to be liked or not. i wish talks about stuff like this were as popular as talking gear or about soldering stuff. elsuve should make a monthly thread, not only about reflection panels making the ear to this kind proportion if the key of everything it's like a hubba-bubba |
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no-one? |
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triple weight vinyl isotope flacs cryonically treated Okinawan sand stabilized subtweeters 0xBF |
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now that's a configuration |
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i wonder what cunctychucks thinks |
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good old chunty |
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yeah, i don't like you much either. no reason to get vicious tho. im very interested in this since my monitors are the biggest liars ive ever met. i know a few tricks, but i don't consider myself a reliable source in the area. i see no reason to share my (little, if any) knowledge. |
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no.1 = put thick carpet or curtains up on your walls. spectral analysis perhaps.? if you have a nice mic ( akg? or alike)place your mic central where your head will be and play a slow sweeping sine wave out your speakers and look at the results on a spectral analyser ( vst plugin or standalone) then insert a parametric on the output and tune so the response becomes more flat. ( might need to be a slow sweep ,as most sine wave generators create sick digital artifacts when you sweep fast) you are then tuning to the response of the mic/preamp ofcourse. if you know the response from the manufacturer chart you can adjust and calibrate to that. if you want it to be flat and more precise. but this is pretty much pointless without good sound damping on the walls. also if you can move your speakers away for the walls that helps. ermm.....and stuff. . if you have more than one set of speakers. place them either side of you main l+r and use them to make comparisons and compensate to make your mix sound nice on both pairs. even some naf PC speakers can help, allot of people these days actually listen to music through crap pc speakers cause they dont know how to hook em up to their main system. listen to your mixes through your ipod earphones. lots of people use them. thats probably the best thing anyone could do actually . lol . as so many people have that exact same monitoring. , i ainmt got an ipod but makes sense. and i would definately do that. A+B switching between a high quality recording that has the same type of music content as your own, ...and use a high qual parametric to adjust to make them match. just a few things. |
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I remember reading about subwoofer positioning once. The trick was to put the sub on your chair and crawl on the floor to find where it sounded loudest then put the sub there. I suggest you have a look at Sound On Sound magazine for lots of good tips (back issues are mostly online for free) http://www.soundonsound.com/ |
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which tricks? |
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i'll begin moving speakes away from walls when i use them, and see what it does. i noticed that music sound different from an angle to the other of the room, where the speakers are placed. but that's all the test i did. i recently put the subwoofer on a higher piece of furniture and the difference from headphones increased. all is placed in the angle of the room, near the wall. |
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i cant take pics |
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carpets sound reasonable |
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i don't have a mic but i see what you mean by doing eq tests. i thought about doing something like that with a limited number of instruments, like making a sound off a certain instrument and listen to headphones and speakers and adjust from there. but i just thought about that. thanks for sharing that. i'm not gonna do something like making ipod listenings to. making eq comparison is a neat trick, but sounds like something i couldnt do. |
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where the fuck i put the subowoofer?? who knows. in the meantime, i'll have to find proper carpets not to die suffocated when august comes in |
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see if apparently simple task like accomplishing the ears to a sound by recreating the way you want it to sound into the place you happen to be, have to take so fucking effort. fucking sick, to be realistic. |
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and i don't say it just cos a cannibal movie is playing on my tv |
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what are your design goals? what is it you are hoping to accomplish? e.g., do you want a neutral room for mixing? or are you recording? if the former, i could assist. |
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...and it begins |
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how about carpet tiles? easy to apply and cut up around doors. you can put a subwoofer anywhere , but usually put up front, its not as directional like high frequencies. so the brain dont mind too much bout placement, nor will your neighbours.lol. |
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Calibrate chyo MIIIIND, myaaAAAAAAn. CHYO MIIIIIIiIiIIIiIiiiiIIND. |
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what freqy said > using calibration mic (flat response) + white noise (all frequencies there) then calibrate your parametric EQ to make the spectral as flat as possible |
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what you mean by neautral i want to make the speakers sound the closes possible way to my heaphones |
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carpet tiles are cool at a first google sight :) in fact the sub is slighly in the back.. keep those tricks comin |
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yes that matter run parallel to the rest, inevitably |
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now that concept is synthetized it's more comprehensible how much do that trick matters in terms of percentage compared to the rest? is it necessary to buy a calibration mic just for that? sounds good, but i don't wanna buy a calibration mic just to find out the sound in the room is improved by 0,1%. how much it's related to putting the carpet tiles? relate the arguments in that direction please. note that i'm willing to catch my headphones' sound, cos it's where most of my recording happening. |
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i say 'relate' to simply put some light upon the relation between causes and effects. many times just watching something reacts, and the way it reacts, makes it that the solutions come to surface. |
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ps all these post in a row suck, sorry about that |
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i think the easiest way to make your spakers sound the closest to your headphones, is getting the frequency response graphic of the headphones, and then making the calibration mic + white noise (or better , one by one) operation to get an equivalent graphic |
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matching it visually is nice. curious to see what i do usually hear, so to hear what i usually don't see! OK... now where do i start? how do i get the graphic response of the headphones? doing the same test with a sound analyzer (there's one in logic)? i suppose i'll have to find out if they rent calibration mics out there. i'll actually bump this thread when its time |
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Fav+ thread REAL SHIT!! |
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flat response mics are not that expensive for what i know, althought i had same problem as you and wasnt bothered to get one (and still dealing with shitty sound, just learning to arrange it by different speakers listening). or maybe you can just lend it from some studio or sound school you know. it is pretty effective method, for what i know, (sound engineers i know used it even in live events) althought what you are doing is adapting your speakers to specificiteiieeis of the room, whats its great for listening and mixing, but maybe not when you take your music out to other rooms. so maybe it would be better first to adapt your room (as freqy said) to avoid strange frequency shit and then calibrate the speakers. |
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for frequency graphic of your headphones just make a quick search over internet, it should be easy to get (it should also be in the information sheet of your headphones) |
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althought what you are doing is adapting your speakers to specificiteiieeis of the room, whats its great for listening and mixing, but maybe not when you take your music out to other rooms. so maybe it would be better first to adapt your room (as freqy said) to avoid strange frequency shit and then calibrate the speakers. claro. thats why im trying to make you come together with this, maybe we can make a standard. sounds to me like you can save years of music life by doing that |
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information sheets... where are them? *opens google* |
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while i search.. to summarize. it's like you want to talk with a person, and there is another person or more that you have to deal with before. just for the time needed for that info to arrive to the person you want to talk, it gets distorted. the more time passes, the more it gets distorted. plus the other variables, like free interpretation/adaptation of language, political ideas, and bullshit. for sound, it's the same. |
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*but in a smaller scale. deeeeeeeeeeeeeeep |
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information sheets comes in the box of your headphones, telling you all the 'sound caracteristics' of the headphones (frequency response, signal noise ratio, etc etc) |
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not sure i still have it |
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and thats why i need the sound to be NEAR. to be the truest expression of what ima trying to do |
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