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Mr. Quoth simply quoth. Mr. WooferAttack simply attacks with the woofer Mr. Wizards Teeth simply has wizards teeth. Isn't everything that simple? Why make our world more complex? I'm sick of discussing this bullshit concept to people in my classroom who try and prove to me that there "might be a god, just as long as you have faith". What the fuck is that supposed to mean? People have no control over anything anymore. |
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burn them |
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heh. -*Fire cleanses ALL*- !FIRE! |
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People can make decisions though that have an affect on their own destinties though. For example if I don't cross the road - I'm not going to get run down. So from a certain point of view we do have a degree of control.... |
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DEATH TO THE NON-BELIEVERS! That's what I always say. |
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No, Let them kill themselves with their own stupidity. It'll eventually drag the fuckers down. |
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yes yes kill the fuckers |
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yes, but if you would have had control over whether or not you have the choice to let the street exist is why people have no control. People have no control over a car hitting them or not. They are either the driver behind the steering wheel or the person in front of the hood. Get my point? Quite dumb, but you must understand I have no control over what I think vs what I say vs the whole "system" and how everyone tries to control eachother so they can get their jollies up. |
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Hmmmmm....I think I get what your saying - but its a bit heavy for me tonight (its 11.00pm here in the UK) I think I'll bow out of this topic, and allow you to discuss the matter with others... :) |
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it´s 6:11pm here!! that´s weird... |
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I like to have little or no controll over any given situation. Tell me what to do! |
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If I get up at 7.00am then you may still be up! :) |
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nothing, b/c you can not control anything. why should you? you belong to the earth. the earth controls you. *Jedi* simply put... " IF " |
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As in . . . IF I get up ...this presumably is a reference to this 'control' thing right? |
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yes quoth you're right by saying we can't control our own lives, and i hate people that are controlling in that effect. But do you not believe that our choices have some effect on what happens in our lives? Like the world makes it's choices by the choices we make, or something to that effect. |
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some, if not very very minimal effects that our own personal choices effect us. when have you made a choice that is PURELY 100% no bull-shit, PURE INSTINCT? I know I haven't. I'm continuing to let fuckers run my life for me b/c I don't have control over it. Why should I even try? Jedi Chris: yes... exactly. Illusion is a wonderful thing. Only if we experience the hurt that illusion can cause others. |
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Do you not think 'chance' and 'probability' play a factor in this? |
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if a huge siberian tiger were to pounce upon me I would INSTICTively make a choice to fight and to run if i got away. |
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there you go... " IF " chance & probability is either to make us feel really good, or really fucking lame. All factors of control that some sort of system put on our shoulders. I CAN NOT WAIT TO DIE :) |
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Well, yes you wouldn't just lay there and take it - would you? Thats a natural reaction to survive. But if you hadn't of put yourself in the 'siberian tigers environment' you may not of been attacked... |
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it makes me feel nothing, it's all pointless. Death is no fun. |
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I don't like tigers. |
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death and agony to all tigers. |
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If I cross a road that has no cars driving along it - I 'will' get to the other side alive. However, if there is traffic on the road I can cross the road safely when I see 'an open' window in the traffic flow. However if I just step out into the flowing traffic there is a certain degree of probability that says I'm gonna get splatted! |
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Doesn't it get you thinking though? About how LITTLE of control you actually have? This and this whole "life after death" thing. Hah, to think that someone on earth can say is beyond me. Why even try to believe? Why can't we just sit and wait for someone/something other than ourselves to decide when we're going to die. This really gets me thinking. Not that it matters to all of you. Just want to get the whole world thinking, because I am looking at the world like, I, myself am wasting a lot of time. |
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Time is like a hunter, and we are the prey.....death will catch up with us all eventually. |
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We may not have ultimate control, but we do have much more than you think. There have been numerous studies on how conscious intent and will affect reality. Random number generators producing ones and zeros, damn near fifty fifty were altered immensly in a study by twenty or so individuals. Shamanic culture where the healing is done entirely nonphysically--through trance mind state healing--heal the same diseases as western medicine with the same success. Our view on life alters the world around us drastically. We don't generally see the world as being affected by us and so there are all sorts of consequences from us not being conscious of our intervention with the world around us. When I consider all the people I know their lives reflect their outlookl on life perfectly. When shit goes down in my life that is seen traditionally as out of control I just go inside myself and find the source and fix it. Fuck the powerless hide from the world coward shit. Stop eating up your eigth grade science class and teach yourself. |
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"Stop eating up your eigth grade science class and teach yourself." I am a senior in high school. To you, I am perceived as dumb. Thank you for your cooperation jupitah! Your whore, Quoth |
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Now lets not argue people - there's been enough arguing today on this message board! :) |
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Calm down, I was not insulting you. I guess I deserved that if I sounded insulting, but it was a general call to everyone. I don't think your dumb, that is something I would say to my own father if it was relevant to the conversation. No offense at all, it's just that people see the world as it is presented to them by others, not by their own experience, and that bothers me. |
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i believe. i don't know what in, but i believe in something |
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I'm just saying that there is more to the world than particles crashing into eachother and behaving according some grand equation. |
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Life is all you. |
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I believe that my own actions and decisions will plot my destiny |
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I agree with you Jupitah, Quoth is a fuck nut. Only joking! Jupitah, it does sound a bit of a cop out, 'a mind is a terrible thing to waste'. |
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i was talking about something like this with my friend recently....and he brought up an interesting idea... one of the reasons we have such little control in our lives is that everything in the world we live in was created by someone/thing else... so we can really only have complete control over our thoughts and the things we create |
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control or no control, surely at the end of the day, its much easier to think that you do have control (ie. more with reference to free will ie crossing the road and such) - than thinking you don't, coz that seems to undermine eXistenZ :) ?! |
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I don't think I believe in initial creation. We are eternally creating the world we live in. I see the world as a reflection of what's inside us, includung all the shit in our subconsious. That's why I don't buy the whole war on terrorism bit. We (U.S.A.) brought it on ourselves in coopereration with the terrorists by ignoring some incredibly huge imbalances deep within, and we aren't going to stop terrorist attacks until we face the things that seem so obvious to other parts of the world. It's all very clear, you reap what you sew. |
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In the same way if you take responsibility for everything, not just what's in your immediate experience, life has a way of flowing in your favor. |
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control and therefore responsability and freedom, i think are illusions |
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actually.. forget that "therefore" part... they are all just illusions, thats all ur not responsible for anything u do, everything is the result of other things, which are in turn the result of other things, and so on... if u know what i mean |
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i refuse to use capitals i have stopped drinking booze, and i feel much better soon i get a flat and will start to make some more sweet music, i continue to make things for people that dont exist; elves, imps and ghosts etc.... |
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REFLEX has good REFLEX's. |
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no control |
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How are you not in control? I mean, you make the choice to have your hand move in a certain way, and it does. Your hand is not exempt from the laws of physics. Therefore you make a conscious decision for matter to do something and it does it. |
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You just have to deny every expereince you have to believe that you aren't actually changing the world around you with your consciousness. It's silly. I suppose I might be naive to believe that I am actually making these decisions, I mean (lol) maybe my consciousness is just an illusion, eh? |
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