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I am reading a book about it by Seymour and O'Connor. It seems a bit outdated. Whatcha think about Nlp? Ever tried it? Does it work? |
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It's not Cogito ergo sum again is it? |
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You might want to check the works of Alfred Korzybski about general semantics, which is a precursor to NLP. Think of it as a sort of logic (non-Aristotelian logic) which is what non-Newtonian physics is to Newtonian physics. (E.g. multi-valued logic versus the true/false logic, or the reversibility of the arrow of time) Point being: just like non-newtonian physics is far from outdated, so is this non-aristotelian logic. NLP itself currently belongs more in the self-help, or management sections in a library. Although the underlying concepts are still relevant, there are many people who want to make money out of it. So, there's bound to be lots of misinformation out there. |
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Alfred Korzybski also influenced L. Ron. Hubbard. Is Nlp scientology without the religious stuff. |
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they influenced each other? |
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Wikipedia says so. But that doesn't matter, Hubbard stole from everywhere. The question is, does Nlp work? |
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Not that I'm aware of. It seems more like a "what Nietzsche was to Nazism" kind of relationship. Don't know about scientology. What is scientology without the religion bit? There's no E-meter or whatever it's called in NLP. That's for sure. To me NLP is a combination of taking magic mushrooms, working on mental hygiene and understanding influence/beliefs. To a certain level it has been very useful. But it's certainly not the end all/be all. My ventures into NLP are limited to Mind Lines by Bodenhammer/Hall and Science & Sanity by Korzybski. I'd recommend the first (as it teaches taking the proverbial magic mushrooms). The second is fascinating but huge (p1000+), so it's only for the strong willed. |
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“By the changing of meaning, our emotions change, as do our behaviors, habits, moods, attitudes, skills, health, etc . and our life.” This is from a review from this book. My question: If i get angry that means some of my needs are not satisfied. By simply changing the meaning of the emotion that results from this biological, psychological need which is nut fullfilled, i am just ignoring the problem and my needs. |
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When you say NLP do you mean like the self-help kind of stuff that is similar to CBT or do you mean like the Derren Brown type shit for manipulating people? |
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I don't want to manipulate people. I mean it in a self-help sense. This is a field i am exploring right now: Transactional analysis, systemic therapy, nonviolent communication and a bit nlp. |
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Sounds extremely interesting. I have come across an approach to psychology recently that I have heard many good things about. I have not read this book yet myself but plan on reading it soon. Anyway, thought it was worth a mention. also this is supposed to be good |
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Beware, there is lots bullshit out there. Systemic family therapy well is for families. But the systemic approach is interesting. Are you a bit familiar with systems theory and the works of Paul Watzlawick? |
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IFS isn't for families. It can work for you if you have no family. "The Internal Family Systems Model (IFS) is an integrative approach to individual psychotherapy developed by Richard C. Schwartz, Ph.D. It combines systems thinking with the view that mind is made up of relatively discrete subpersonalities each with its own viewpoint and qualities." Have not read anything by Paul Watzlawick. Can you recommend me anything? |
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You should look into IBS. |
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I'm not familiar with Richard C . Schwartzs work, but i know a similiar approach by a german psychologist which is called the 'inner team'. This 'team' varies from Situation to situation. There is some info available on the net in english. Closely realated to this is also transactional analysis by Eric Berne. Paul Watzlawick wrote several books, maybe start with 'Pragmatics of Human Communication'. And while you are at it, check out Marshall M. Rosenberg too. |
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transactional analysis? that's what my ex-gf was up to when i left her that swine |
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Oh really. Tell me a bit more if ya like. |
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how can i take this serious from people who use dmx? And therapy is just for big rich western wankers...if you dont feel fine: hit yourself with astick on the head and return to who you realy are: hungry cavemans with Ipods. Monoid: please stop crying. I'm getting sick of your self pitty. |
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What made you feel sick? Can you describe this feeling a bit more?I am a bit worried a bit about this, so i ask you, how exactly can i help you good sir? |
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name one positive thing about your life and I feel fine today |
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This thread and xlt. I don't want to think 'positive' i want to think 'realistically' And yes, not all things are bad. Right now i don't really understand why you think i might be feeling bad or depressed? Because this thread is about various kinds of 'therapies' maybe? Well that is just one aspect, the other is that i find psychology/philosophy entertaining and interesting. |
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no |
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ok. sorry |
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me 2...even better: I work with it. I've studied social work, I am a family councelor and I work in a psychiatric hospital for psychotic and schizofrenic people. My point is: I get sick of you speaking about "various kind of therapies". I think you as a hypochondriac should start leading a normal life in stead off searching for some therapy that might help you.. |
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and what's your problem? i can understand where your generalised image of monoid comes from. but he has shown nothing of the kind of behavior you're referring to in this thread. not only that, but you're the first to bitch and moan here. you may be a family counselor in real life, but in this thread you're showing the hypochondriac behavior you claim monoid to have. |
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Hmm, you seem to know me pretty well, which is surprising cuz we never talked to each other. Well if something 'makes' you sick than aprobably some of your needs aren't fullfilled. You should also know that I do not possess the power to 'make' your feelings. So, can you be a bit more precise? |
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what next, chaos magik? |
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Yeah maybe my picture of monoid is influenced over the years reading all of his posts..and you're right: in this thread I was the first to moan but when I started reading the thread I just felt like I had to shout to monoid that he has to stop talking about therapy and stuff and start living a 'normal' life...Maybe I overreacted but thats just because I care. |
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I know you partly because I read a lot of posts from you...and my needs are that you feel good and live a happy life. You have the power to do that. |
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as a counselor surely you must get that having psychological problems is a barrier to leading a normal, happy life. I think what Monoid is doing is great. He is obviously acknowledging he has issues that need working on and he is looking into different ways to help himself. |
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Also Monoid, check out Alice Miller |
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Offcourse thats good but I think that when he starts living his life and not think about therapy, psychology etc he will start feeling a lot better. |
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I dunno that just sounds like ignoring the problem. If you are right though, do you really think that was the best way to suggest it to him? Through bullying? |
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Well it was surely not nice. But it is coming from a family therapist. And i know that psycho or familytherapy is the biggest placebo of the last century. |
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It's not ignoring the problem when you start to live your life again, the method is called 'rehabilitation'. What I said wasnt ment to bully him.. |
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and how do you know that? |
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Pretty simple. If the therapeutic method would work, it would not matter if i like my therapist or not, it wouldn't simply matter what person is practicing it, as long as i know what to do. |
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Sorry, i meant: 'as long as they know, what to do' |
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that is exactly the point..you have to do something not the therapist. |
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Why do some people need a therapist then? Most people don't have the problem that they are too dumb to know what to do. |
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Honestly writing down your feelings in a journal is a good place to start in terms of self-therapy. Sounds easy but is actually really difficult. |
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Most people just dont see the answers to their problems they already have. As a therapist it's your job to let them find the answers themselves. |
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Even better is to write a letter to yourself from the future in wich you tell yourself about how you dealt with your problems. |
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Doesn't matter if you found any answers if you don't have the emotional ressources, or never had the chance to aquire them, or if you are completly emotionally underdeveloped and only the feelings of fear, boredom and persist. I try to have an realistic outlook in life, but these feelings are still there. |
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well: how do you deal with fear or boredom? |
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