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just listening to some vinyl, well mastered, well pressed, mind damn it can just sound so much better than cd or wavs etc, even if it was pressed from them sure, it's expensive, takes up room, gets crackly but it is simply so much more fun and has a warmth and depth that can only be matched by reel to reel tape it's sad that it will end up being forgotten and so much music will not reach this level of luxury the alternative is to have music directly out of the speakers as you make it, but if it's going to be recorded and enjoyed elsewhere by others I hope that technology and quality improve at a faster rate sure, even mp3's will do for a lot of music, and they are handy and good in so many ways, i'm just going on about the positive aspects of vinyl, if it is pressed and mastered well. it's like real beef dripping vs stock cubes |
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Beef curtains, more like. |
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best vinyl fpr me is shellac - 1000 hurts gorgeous chunky slab of 12". proper recording/mastering/production etc drums sound fucking massive and the guitar nothing like a normal guitar the harmonics are all over the place comes in a reel to reel box and the vinyl sleeve inside the box is a picture of an oscilloscope with glow in the dark traces on it no wonder vinyl gets scrathed up in the average 12" case... all vinyl should come in a proper box to protect it and beautiful packaging so people who dont know about the music go "shit i wanna check this out" |
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aprox fidelity equivalence of formats vynilsz 75db dynamic range. cd 96db vynilsz equv sample freq 50,000 cd sample freq 44,100 vynilz freq response 30hz - 25kh cd - 20 hz -20khz an ting.... |
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Just ordered for about 200$ new vinyls, next weekend I'll be playing them all day long...yes, I can't wait. Maybe I'll order some new needles too to spice it all up :-) |
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There's also the argument for total absorption: when you buy an album, on vinyl, and you listen through for the first time, you need to be aware of the music, turning it over and changing the record...plus you have the album artwork to sit and pore over - reading sleevenotes etc. you are 100% absorbed in the album. it becomes more of an experience. with digital, so often it goes on and then you busy yourself doing something else - listening maybe over computer speakers while surfing online checking email etc. or on an mp3 player while walking somewhere, looking out for traffic and so on and so on... in my opinion anyways. and i know there's always exceptions to the rule. |
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with digital, so often it goes on and then you busy yourself doing something else - listening maybe over computer speakers while surfing online checking email etc. or on an mp3 player while walking somewhere, looking out for traffic and so on and so on... thats making some noise enter your ears, not music listening. it's adding distraction to a distraction and thats we do all the time, being the noise coming from a tv, an air conditioner.. whatever it comes from, the issue is in the culture. the fewer the moments of silence, the more effort is needed in attempt to focus on smth it takes a tone of time to understand how sound works INSIDE, and if it wasn't for digital, probably most of the people wouldn't have the chance to learn how to discern the kind, the quality and the right moments to focus on this or that music. /nerd |
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freqy, we know all that, fair enough, but "just feel it" |
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This thread is deep. As for vinyl... how lush does it get, though?! I think it can possibly be overwhelming... the crackling of vinyl in one's hardwood listening room, subtle sweetness of forest with soft thuds of clean feet... steps to one's listening couch... velvet drapes... soft shadows of indoor plants dancing from the dim candle light... then turning up the volume slightly to be totally engulfed in harmonic lovelines... and then you fucking shoot up heroin and it's like, whoooooooooooooooooooooooaooaoaoaoaooaoa... ...whooooooaooaooooooooooooaooooaoaoooao..... Vinyl is possibly deadly. |
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no we didn't and neither did we. |
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oh gosh, sometimes i don't wonder. |
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shame it costs a fucking fortune to press properly. |
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vinyl is indeed marvellous quality of pressing, cleanliness of it, and the system you play it on all add up in making the noticeable difference. cd's seem to 'bright' and make your ears tired I find |
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bright / murky... Just comes down to the mastering job Really good vinyl prints seem to have more "shape" to the sounds, if that makes any sense. The individual sounds seem to be a little more three dimensional. Maybe not as clear and crisp as a digital file but less flat sounding. Was a revelation when I started listening to ae on wax after years of CDs and files. Eyebrows pricked up. **hang on a second!! That sounds a little different!** I do enjoy 24bit files though, I think that is a nice trend, especially for artists that can't afford to press records. |
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It's a shame proper record shops are dying though. Went to Vinyl Junkies in Soho the other week and found out he's shut now. The decent reggae/dub sort of shop off Brick Lane (Touch Records I think) closed a few months ago.... Seems they're all closing down. Very sad. I saw on the news a load of people clambering in a skip outside a Record shop in Soho (I think it was Great Marlborough St) for a load of crap records the shop couldn't sell (real bargain basement 10p type things). Why aren't people clambering to go down to the bargain basements and pick up the same crap for 1p-10p, whatever and maybe spend a few quid on something decent, have a chat to the staff (except not surly music and video exchange shop people) and keep record shops alive. Yeah I love vinyl and records. My record may be the same music as yours, but it sounds unique as it has its own pops and crackles. I agree with seed's comments above. There's a time and a place for MP3, but vinyl can never be allowed to die as it just sounds so damn good. |
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everything on this world is closing down and it's fault of the people? when there will be no record shop left, no scene to refer to, there will be no past, then people will start creating their own past and making their own shit again, not giving a fuck about the fucking future and all of the market bullshit. when all those requirements will be gone, then maybe we'll be lucky enough to witness a random prick making some good music again |
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Hell'z yeah. |
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what seed said is bang on. currently listening to new arcade fire album. stick it on, play it right through, the sleeve and record notes are amazing, so too are the lyrics, they would be tiny on the cd sleeve. with mp3 i skip round all the time, and rarely actually listen to an album the whole through without skipping or playing something entirely different. because im so lazy once a vinyl is on its on apart from being flipped from time to time. |
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seems to me, you would need buttons and electricity to make these things spin round |
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yup, that's right. buttons and electrucity might work |
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It's a shame so much depends on pressing quality though - I was listening to an album yesterday and was shocked how bad the pressing was for a modern release. |
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it's sad that it will end up being forgotten i doubt it. vinyl is enjoying such a large comeback these days, what with lots of classic albums being re-pressed, most new bands putting out vinyl releases, etc. vinyl has completely taken over cds for me, as a physical medium - i consider all of my cds to be worthless (except maybe some of the stuff that has really nice packaging like the ae+h3o stuff), i just end up ripping them to mp3s anyway. also i love the sound of a record when it's ever so slightly worn and distorts a little - i have a beautiful copy of hawks & doves by neil young that has a tiny amount of distortion on the high end and it sounds lovely. same with some metal albums, holy shit, metal albums are so good on vinyl. can't wait for my autechre vinyl to become a little more worn, my copy of amber was bought secondhand, and it has just the right amount of surface noise and wear to make it sound even more lush. would love to hear how oversteps sounds after i've had it for 10-20 years. |
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Haha! Don't be so shit. |
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eh? |
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You know what I mean. Stop talking shit about vinyls. |
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lol ok. bye! |
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Yep, new masters need to be cut specifically for the vinyl pressing. If they just take the CD masters and dump em onto wax generally it makes for an atrocious sounding record. |
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My second (third? fourth? fifth?) hand copy of Pink Floyd's "Ummagumma" in its mouse nibbled sleeve is so worn and subsequently warm that once when I played it and it got to Roger Waters' "Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict" it set fire to a pile of Record Collector back issues dating back to '79. |
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vinyls |
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Definitely. Pretty sure that's what happened here too, the mastering was generally awful and compressed to hell. |
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