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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2010-06-14 21:38 [#02384026]
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Monoid, maybe you should consider cognitive behavioral ...
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Torture Garden
from Feelin' 2Pacish on 2010-06-14 21:56 [#02384032]
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I think Cygnus is giving better advice. You're better off without a psychologist. Even though Cygnus's idea about reality and subjectivity is silly - because 'reality' and one's subjectivity form together, there is no schism, it's all one flow, brah. And there have been severe increases in mental health 'problems' in europe in recent years, it's not that some people have pre-disposed tendencies towards these problems, it's not about individuals, its clearly to do with the way we live today, we're fucked. People can 'create new tools' without having to be normalised by a psychiatrist, read your way out, act yr way out, whatever.
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Barcode
from United Kingdom on 2010-06-14 22:08 [#02384038]
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what does a psychiatrist know that you can't find out for yourself
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2010-06-14 22:26 [#02384050]
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because 'reality' and one's subjectivity form together,...
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2010-06-14 22:29 [#02384051]
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these threads arent a good kind of trollzy. i cant get along with this
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Torture Garden
from Feelin' 2Pacish on 2010-06-14 22:46 [#02384057]
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This link bases its argument on assumptions that I don't agree with. LAZY_TITLE
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2010-06-14 22:50 [#02384059]
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i ran out of words to say
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2010-06-14 22:51 [#02384061]
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I was in therapy for almost 2 years. It was bullshit that did not help, but it was pretty amusing sometimes.
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Gonzola
from Stockholm (Sweden) on 2010-06-14 22:55 [#02384063]
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Barcode, a psychiatrist can help you realize that you have normalized a negative situation, which is sometimes the reason why people feel shit without knowing why
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Torture Garden
from Feelin' 2Pacish on 2010-06-14 22:56 [#02384064]
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LAZY_TITLE
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Gonzola
from Stockholm (Sweden) on 2010-06-14 23:00 [#02384065]
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ok, so no therapy. maybe you should drink more alcohol if you don't drink so often, or less if you drink too much
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Barcode
from United Kingdom on 2010-06-14 23:00 [#02384066]
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Why can't you research that yourself, you just told me after all.
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2010-06-14 23:13 [#02384072]
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I don't drink much alcohol.The god damn therapist refused to prescribe me some good anti anexity meds, all i got were those useless ssri's
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Gonzola
from Stockholm (Sweden) on 2010-06-14 23:14 [#02384073]
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like, if you feel like shit, you yourself might not be a good person to have a dialogue with to feel good. I can only speak for myself ofc, but i think it's easier to talk to someone else than just looping thoughts in my own head.
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2010-06-14 23:17 [#02384074]
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NO BARCODE CAN JUST LEARN EVERYTHING!!
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Barcode
from United Kingdom on 2010-06-14 23:28 [#02384075]
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lulz
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Gonzola
from Stockholm (Sweden) on 2010-06-14 23:51 [#02384083]
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LAZY_TITLE
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2010-06-15 01:20 [#02384106]
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just put your hand in the loo
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2010-06-15 01:21 [#02384107]
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with gloves of course
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jnasato
from 777gogogo (Japan) on 2010-06-15 03:36 [#02384141]
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If musicians who are mega-rich-in-all-ways can sincerely write songs about misery, then we're all in a lot of trouble.
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2010-06-15 13:00 [#02384208]
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that's impossible
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jnasato
from 777gogogo (Japan) on 2010-06-16 02:47 [#02384351]
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Well... It's always seemingly one thing or another, isn't it?
Like Paul McCartney: "I'm rich, lived a full life, fucked hundreds of young fans, positively influenced countless with music, eaten the best foods, but FUCK- at this moment- WHY IS THIS PASTA NOT AL DENTE?!?!?!- FUUUCK THIS UNIVEEERSSSE!!!!!"
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Rambling Madman
from the future (United Kingdom) on 2010-06-16 03:10 [#02384353]
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I think it just comes down to whether or not you have the balls to kill some people. We both know someone should definitely die for this.
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Cliff Glitchard
from DEEP DOWN INSIDE on 2010-06-16 03:24 [#02384355]
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ehehehehhe
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Rambling Madman
from the future (United Kingdom) on 2010-06-16 03:34 [#02384356]
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Yes sandwich?..
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technokungen
on 2010-06-16 08:10 [#02384369]
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Don't give Monoid ideas
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Moot
from Antarctica on 2010-06-16 11:09 [#02384399]
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If you've decided to be a bum, then just be a bum. Stop fucking complaining about it. Just accept and embrace it, regardless how high or low others esteem it. It's your fucking life and it's running out of time as you read this post, as you complained about it already years ago, and as you'll keep mulling it over in the coming seconds, hours, months. Bitching about things does no good. Not to you or anyone else. Pick something you want and give it all you got. Life is only as good as you make it.. Whatever will happen WILL happen. Make it good.
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2010-06-16 15:18 [#02384443]
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I am not very good at anything, and i do only enjoy very few things. Even when i had a job i did not like it and i was looking forward to the weekend, which i did not like as well because it was/is boring.
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Tractern
from Brighton (United Kingdom) on 2010-06-16 17:18 [#02384446]
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This is an interesting article. :)
Although it does make me sad that I have time for such fucking stupid things- no job, Summer hols, worrying about re-submitting assignments in August e.t.c :(
This bit is funny though:
An earlier film by Waters, Desperate Living (1977), contained a scene in a women's lavatory depicting a chest-high double glory hole—for breasts.
hehe. I like John Waters films.
Also;
One of several uses of glory hole predating the known use as sexual slang is from glassblowing, which dates back to 50 B.C. Shown here, a person reheats a glass item with the "glory hole" being the furnace opening on the left.
lol
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Tractern
from Brighton (United Kingdom) on 2010-06-16 17:32 [#02384448]
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It might make you feel better to learn about something. Expand your mind.
Try watching this documentary about the photographer Henri Cartier Bresson: LAZY_TITLE
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2010-06-16 17:47 [#02384449]
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maybe youre not great at stuff, but you seem to have a real nack for bothering other people with your disappointing existence. surely thats applicable to something out there in the real world.
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2010-06-16 18:49 [#02384456]
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Should i join al-qiada? I am an atheist, dunno if i will make many friends there
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2010-06-16 18:51 [#02384457]
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Ok, i will watch this when i have time
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Moot
from Antarctica on 2010-06-16 20:22 [#02384460]
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There you go. Do those few things you like, pour yourself into em. Stop worrying about it. Let yourself act spontaneously.
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jnasato
from 777gogogo (Japan) on 2010-06-17 00:11 [#02384505]
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"Pick something you want and give it all you got."
YUP. Anything. Even if becoming a unicorn is one's dream, I sincerely believe one should go for it, else, life just becomes a result of not actually doing what one wanted, which results in regret, which finally results in: "I had 50 years to become a unicorn, and I never even tried for 5 minutes. But I did help others attain goals for 8 hours a weekday, and I watched TV for 6 hours daily- for 50 years- so I guess my life was... FUCK."
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jnasato
from 777gogogo (Japan) on 2010-06-17 00:13 [#02384506]
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Just choose a lifestyle that YOU WANT, then MAKE IT HAPPEN.
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jnasato
from 777gogogo (Japan) on 2010-06-17 00:15 [#02384507]
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Remember million dollar homepage? That dude sat in his room a poor student and decided to make a million dollars. So he set his goal, then he worked out his $1 a pixel ad space homepage, then a few months later, millionaire.
PLAN.
WORK.
WIN.
Most people are:
NO-PLAN.
WORK.
AIMLESSLY LIVING AND BEING BORING.
Don't be like most people. . .
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Tractern
from Brighton (United Kingdom) on 2010-06-17 00:35 [#02384511]
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"I win at life" is a really weird phrase and one I don't think I will ever fully understand.
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2010-06-17 01:22 [#02384512]
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I have no plans because there is nothing that i really really want. Besides that, most people dont acomplish their goals in life, why?, because they do not got what it takes.
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Moot
from Antarctica on 2010-06-17 09:12 [#02384540]
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"Besides that, most people dont acomplish their goals in life"
Bullshit.
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Moot
from Antarctica on 2010-06-17 09:53 [#02384545]
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You just want to keep finding excuses not to grab your balls and fail/succeed like everyone else. Everyone faces adversity and failure, either due to cosmic coincidences or exclusively due to their decisions and actions.
If you really didn't have anything worth living for, you'd've killed yourself a long time ago. Instead you cling to life focused on feeling sorry for yourself. IF THERE REALLY WAS NOTHING WORTH STAYING ALIVE FOR, YOU WOULDNT BE CLINGING TO LIFE AS YOU'RE DOING.
You don't need perfection to be happy. You don't even need excuses to be happy. Get the fuck out of your hole and do something, anything. Then do something else. Eventually something's going to either please you or piss you off.
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Rambling Madman
from the future (United Kingdom) on 2010-06-17 10:06 [#02384548]
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... alternatively eat da poo poo.
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2010-06-17 13:32 [#02384560]
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Dude, this is not a life and death issue. I am simply to afraid to kill myself, but death itself is nothing i fear. If i look at myself or other people i can only see very very few reasons why they are still alive, because their life is obviously going nowhere or will even become worse, or is shit because they have to spend large ammounts of time on a job they hate, because they were to stupid or ugly to get something better.
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Moot
from Antarctica on 2010-06-20 18:26 [#02384904]
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1)If i look at myself or other people i can only see very very few reasons why they are still alive
Your perception's all fucked up.
2)because their life is obviously going nowhere or will even become worse,
Bullshit. What are you, an oracle? Do the tea leaves tell you this? Even in the worst fold of the asshole of the world would such a definitively pessimistic POV not make sense for someone who truly yearns for good times.
3)or is shit because they have to spend large ammounts of time on a job they hate,
Work is important for sure. Without it life is largely empty. But employment isn't the only kind of work you can do. And the bit of truth in your rant is that life is a fucking mess for sure - there aren't any free lunches and you don't normally get things all cooked and salted out of the blue; not everyone will have a dream job - fortune of all kinds is a lottery. What you CAN do is work - that is, fix the lottery odds a bit to your advantage. The more you do things you love, the more effective you'll be at this "work" (whatever it is: employment, hobby, volunteering, etc) and the fuller and richer and satisfying that (large) part of your life will be.
Simply giving up before or during or after the fact, because your employment is (or was or likely will be) frozen dog shit is self-defeating horse shit of the flimsiest type.
4)because they were to stupid or ugly to get something better.
Excessively pessimistic premise to this aside, this above is a truism. It's true for everyone. Everyone fails to meet their absolute full potential. There's always some fuckup along the way spoiling things to some degree. Sitting on your ass feeling sorry for yourself about it does no good. Whereas giving it all you got and getting banged up in the process might be a little painful in some respects, but at least earns a clear conscience and your efforts bear some (if not lots -again love what you do and do what you love is most of all you need to know) fruits: win-
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Moot
from Antarctica on 2010-06-20 18:31 [#02384905]
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win-win
Also: "Only politics interests me somehow, but no one really cares what I think about it anyway. I feel very helpless, frustrated and unsatisfied"
Symptom there: you put others' esteem above your own. You sooner do what others approve than what really gives you wood.
Is it any wonder that you feel helpless, frustrated, unsatisfied? If all you do is miserably grovel to suck people's cocks, of course your life is going to be pointless. The point of life isn't to please others but to carry a big stick and whack your moles. Success follows and... no surprise, others will start to "care".
And then you can worry about how genuine and/or meaningful that "caring". In most cases people don't really give a fuck anyway.
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2010-06-20 20:38 [#02384916]
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I meant that i have a great understanding of complicated issues but no one is willing to listen.You also seem very deluded and in constant denial that life is well....shit. Do you really really believe in this western work ethic?, maybe it is time for you to grow up, i wish you however good luck with all your endavours.
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Guybrush
from the white room on 2010-06-20 20:40 [#02384918]
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club 100
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2010-06-20 20:42 [#02384919]
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congrats!
btw, who the hell choses "moot" as a nick? wanna/b/?
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nightex
from Šiauliai (Lithuania) on 2010-06-20 20:44 [#02384921]
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Monoid philosophy
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2010-06-20 23:05 [#02384933]
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I have a need for other people to like and admire me, and yet i tend to be critical of myself. While i have some personality weaknesses i am generally able to compensate for them. I have considerable unused capacity that I have not turned to my advantage. Disciplined and self-controlled on the outside, I tend to be worrisome and insecure on the inside. At times i have serious doubts as to whether i have made the right decision or done the right thing. I prefer a certain amount of change and variety and become dissatisfied when hemmed in by restrictions and limitations. I also pride myself as an independent thinker; and do not accept others’ statements without satisfactory proof. I have found it unwise to be too frank in revealing myself to others. At times i am extroverted, affable, and sociable, while at other times i am introverted, wary, and reserved. Some of my aspirations tend to be rather unrealistic.
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