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*The human thinking is born out of some sort of neurological defect in the human body. Therefore anything that is born out of human thinking is destructive. *Anything you experience based on knowledge is an illusion. *There is no such thing as truth. The only thing that is actually there is your 'logically' ascertained premise, which you call truth. *The day man experienced the consciousness that made him feel separate and superior to the other forms of life, at that moment he began sowing the seeds of his own destruction. *Only if you reject all the other paths can you discover your own path. *'Be selfish and stay selfish' is my message. Wanting enlightment is selfishness. Charity is selfishness. *All our experiences, spiritual or otherwise, are the basic cause of our suffering.... The body is not interested in anything that you are interested in. That is the battle that is going on all the time... There seems to be no way out.... *I don't have any thoughts which I can call my own--not one thought, not one word, not one experience. *What I am trying to say is that there is no individual there at all. There is only a certain gathering of knowledge--which is thought--but no individuality there. *All I can guarantee you is that as long as you are searching for happiness, you will remain unhappy. *The plain fact is that if you don't have a problem, you create one. If you don't have a problem you don't feel that you are living. *When you are no longer caught up in the dichotomy of right and wrong or good and bad, you can never do anything wrong. As long as you are caught up in this duality, the danger is that you will always do wrong. *The extraordinary intelligence of the biological organism is all that is necessary for good living, but we are all the time interfering with its natural operation through the medium of thought. *When the movement in the direction of becoming something other than what you are isn't there any more, you are not in conflict with yourself. |
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Bedtime thinkers part 2. |
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i love UG Krishnamurti he was full of shit, a crazy old man, but a great person. i heard from a good friend and teacher of mine that ug lived with Jiddu krishnamurti for 12 years. |
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(i think the theosophist society and his family drove him crazy) |
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ug thought k was a fraud |
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now you are spreading christian ideas?? i thought i had you pegged, barcode, but look at this! *The day man experienced the consciousness that made him feel separate and superior to the other forms of life, at that moment he began sowing the seeds of his own destruction. Genesis 3 The Fall of Man 1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?" 2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' " 4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." |
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Crumb has just released the book of genesis in comic form. He tried to keep it as close to possible to the real thing. I can't wait to get my hands on a copy. |
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huh? ug spoke sense not riddles |
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lol yea that crumb book looks good. |
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in new york a few years before he died, someone asked UG about jiddu and he said, "j krishnamurti was the stupidest hoax of the 20th century" i think its in , same video he says, "mothers are monsters. kill them all" LOL |
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He makes me laugh. Not at him, with him. |
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"And then, towards the end, I insisted, "Come on, is there anything behind the abstractions you are throwing at me?" And that chappie said, "You have no way of knowing it for yourself". Finish -- that was the end of our relationship, you see -- "If I have no way of knowing it, you have no way of communicating it. What the hell are we doing? I've wasted seven years. Goodbye, I don't want to see you again". Then I walked out" |
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the only one who knows this ounce of words is just a token, is he who has a ton to tell and must remain unspoken |
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see this is the complication - both UG and K used very bad english that complicated what was already very horribly complicated subject matter that in itself could've been the undoing of their relationship when you think about it. when you read quotes like that, you have to think - were they speaking bengali or hindi to one another, and as he's paraphrasing it now has he translated it into english? |
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I don't agree. :) He's definitely clear to understand. |
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UG and K understood each other perfectly well. Fact is, K was a hypocrite. He had an affair with his secretary's wife, so who was he to preach about how to live your life? His biggest fraud, as UG often pointed out, is stating truth cannot be captured, crystalised or passed down from one to another - then doing the complete reverse by setting up numerous foundations across the world. Osho was a joke. |
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Osho's 'fuck' rant was quite funny, though incorrect. |
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link? |
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watch on xlt |
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lol |
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genuine lol |
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lol |
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This all seems very human. Can't humans be liberated from the confines of their own framework (of thought) and actually make something useful with their energy? More simply, where's the wrong in using your brain to absorb the frameworks of OTHER things instead of just the essence of humanity? |
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UG would just say "nothing to be liberated from" |
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U.G. asserts nothing, therefore talking to him is like talking to yourself. |
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When the movement in the same direction of becoming something other than that thing what you are isn't there any more, you arent not in conflict with yourself anymore. also im glad barcode has found a way of perfectly justifying everything he's ever believed. he can even write most of it down on a napkin and keep it in his pocket for when he goes on walks |
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u could at least quote it properly smega brain |
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Whenyou are not longer caught up in the dichotomy of right and wrong also or good and bad, you cant never do that thing that is wrong. As long as you are caught up in the duality the dangers is that you will most times always do a wrong thing. some of these could really change the world and i dont think we are ready |
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he always emphasized that you are the one giving meaning to anything - nothing has any meaning before you come into the picture. he would say, "i am a dog barking, you are making this dog barking sound like meaningful insight". "i am not putting any ideas in your head. you are throwing questions at me like stones at a dog and i am barking" , LOL |
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yes, all of that is obvious. But in this state of entropy that we're in, we are inside of another thing, which is commonly known as life. This reality has its own set of characteristics and sets of laws, so knowing that, it is impossible to sit here and say that everything is creation of our own mind when we are here, mortal lifeforms, vulnerable to outside forces. It's like UG is trying to establish a rock-bottom field for which all people can commonly agree to. but that is not the truth, because we are all affected by things that are not of ourselves, to deny this in any way is just arrogant. |
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so i am the only one giving meaning to everything around me? YES bitches im so cutting off humans/society/morals/my instincts/my feelings on everything. |
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it's just backwards shit. it's saying, i have the capacity to understand, but understanding isn't necessary. |
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lol and throwing stones at a dog is different fro masking questions in which the whole POINT is to try and retrieve meaning from the person giving the answers. |
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understanding is tantamount. everything mentioned in this thread is from the theoretical point of view of one consciousness and seems to completely disregard the idea of any kind of society. thats why its silly shit, we live in a society and have social needs. a human is not one mind so get yourself a coffee cos theres loads to figure out |
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word is bond. |
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sry not meant to be a followup but it happened so get yourself a coffee cos theres loads to figure out |
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oh you came back on that quick. no more coffee |
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*The extraordinary intelligence of the biological organism is all that is necessary for good living, but we are all the time interfering with its natural operation through the medium of thought. Huh? Isn't the brain part of out biological make up? And therefore thought a product of the biological system? It's natural for humans to think, barcode. |
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why reduce what ug says to a concept, when it's fact. it's a fact that you are incapable of experiencing anything, because as soon as you have what you call an experience, thought enters and labels it, frames it. the "experience" is then immediately distorted by thought. there isn't even an "experiencer", because thought has created that the "I", the, "self" the "ego". so all your relationships are contaminated by thought, you never see somebody as they really are. morals, beliefs, culture is all entirely meaningless, the concepts illusory ug has stated many times that there is no way out. he says things are the way they are and can be no other way. the only question is, knowing all this, what sort of world to we want to create for ourselves? armed with this knowledge, as a so-called intelligent species we should be streets ahead of where we are now. of course, ug also says that this duality does not exist in him. he does not judge, does not experience, has no conflict, has no ego, and therefore cannot be affected by anyone or anything. apparently he went through a "calamity" on his 49th birthday resulting in the death of the experiencer. despite this he never claimed to be different from anyone and infers that you cannot attain what happened to him through any effort or method, it was purely by accident and has nothing to do with enlightenment, as there is no such thing. |
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hack thu here |
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i think he means that in humans the brain has become sophisticated enough to create thought, which has give us the illusion of being a seperate unity from the body. the creation of the "I", "self" or "ego" acts as the seperation, inevitably distorts anything and everything it comes across, unlike with other animals where the brain acts in unison with every other part of the body |
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i see what you're saying, but the fact is that in this life as a human being, to live you have to struggle, you have to fight to survive, otherwise you die. So while being alive in this structured way of life, there are things that have meaning which pertain to this way of life that we as humans are in as a society, not necessarily just our process of living as animals that we truly are. Why is ug's self proclaimed enlightenment really that compelling? how do you really know what he went through was what you postulate in your head to be enlightened? |
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I already explained in another post that ug did not refer to himself as enlightened, as there is no such thing. I don't know what he went through, just telling you what he said he went through. I don't agree with everything he said, why should I? To me, he was the most interesting person that ever lived and completely changed my way of thinking about life. What he says is actually frightening, and you are strongly compelled to resist it because you find comfort in your illusions. You resist the fear of being nothing, noone - knowing that everything you do above eating, fucking and sleeping is utterly meaningless, purposeless. Then on the other hand, it also brings incredible calmness. You are no longer caught up in the ridiculous trivialities that cause the majority of people so much mental torture. You play the game called life a different way that's all. |
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I'd rather live in the illusion that I and every other human was born into than try and bring myself to believe the illusion that i successfully could do anything else. - pulseclock, I, self, ego. |
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of course, you are selfish. you have no choice anyway. |
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yeah 'm sorry i really do understand what you mean now, like the purest truths of life are the ones that we take for granted. like the fact that our names mean nothing. that we only matter as organisms. But we all are individuals, you must agree with that. And how can ug or anyone else even really prove that our concept of time is an illusion? are animals living lives that are 3 seconds as seen in our eyes? How can we really be the judge of that? |
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our 'distortion' of moments can be summarised as interpretation of any kind of stimulation and its the definition of us. its not an illusion because a fresh reality is defined within the context of human stimulation. within that reality (which exists within the physical construction of our brains, making it no less real than the physics of a rock/tree/sphincter muscle) everything matters. in other words; human has its own rules bitchface and not the rules of existential theory. |
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and (if ive made myself clear) I WIN |
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that sounded kind of mean. how am i selfish? if you mean animalistically than yes, i am very selfish. i like to be me and be fine with that while others are fighting with themselves. it's not like there's a god to answer to or anything. |
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