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theres so much focus on the climate and environment nowadays, and in a way its kind of backwards thinking. shouldnt we be thinking in ways we always have until now, our progressive ways? i see humanity has a highly technological species. we have been doing some sort of tool making for thousands of years, and our brains have been dreaming as well. we are made for technology, not nature. i believe the way we live now is extremely pleasant, and it condones thinking rather than hunting. the question is, how can we live like this and survive? if the planet goes to hell, we probably will too. the problem is we are too dependent on the planet. we should think about ways to not be so dependent on it. i think that creating technology, and even modifying the human body is the step forward. you cant look at all the stuff we have produced and say this is not the purpose for us. we are not made for living in caves and hunting animals. we are made for something much larger. too bad we ended up on this planet, but i think we can get out of the situation with a few black swans and voila, we're in space driving around the andromeda galaxy. |
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you haven't really thought this through. |
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what makes you say that? you're right though, but i think i have a valid point |
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heres some more food for thought imagine a future far far away from today. we are able to create air with a device in the quantum or string world, and we are able to do it for an entire ship in space. if we were able to create air at will, easily and cheap, it would solve a lot of problems. imagine if we could draw energy from stars or even more esoteric energies, and a brand new transportation system in space. it has always been my theory that humans can in essence be gods. the key to all this is in creating ways to influence and modify how reality works, especially in the very microscopic quantum levels and beyond. if we can convert one type of energy into another at will (dirt -> water/air) we've come along way. but it doesnt have to stop there. theres also a lot we can do with our own bodies. there are a lot of illnesses to be cured and faults to be repaired. the point isnt about how to do this, its that i believe we can do ti. i believe having a purpose of constantly unraveling the secrets of the universe and creating more opportunities for ourselves is as good a purpose to live as any. i would rather go in this direction than the opposite, namely some kind of apocalypse that reverts humantiy back to tribes and the stone age. |
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there's nothing weird about this thread. its just stupid. like you. if you think the world is a pleasant place to live you're being a bit naive and obviously live quite a sheltered life. "i think we can get out of the situation with a few black swans and voila, we're in space driving around the andromeda galaxy." honestly, you have got to be joking. |
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basically what Guybrush said. you have very little touch with the reality of human existance on this planet beyond theories of technological and human evolution gathered from the internet. |
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it has always been my theory that humans can in essence be gods gods |
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only read the first post. hes not wrong is he? i mean its like ghost in the shell, its inevitable. cx is just saying that humanity and its aspirations were always destined to transcend nature. we do it all the time anyway. i think cx is talking about the ultimate of that. we cant ever expect to get that far tho. we'll always be human and sweaty and dribbly and will never really transcend anything, its juts we're supposed to spend out lives trying. its not sad its great fun. maybe im wrong |
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gods confirm |
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guybrush, what do poverty rates have to do with this? ampi, we have in a way transcended nature already. by creating something ourselves and not just using what we were given or nature was given we have. i think its a very simple concept, modify something already existing to create something new. if that concept can also evolve, who knows where it may end up. who knows where our influence could end in this universe. a black swan is a scientific or technological discovery that was unexpected btw, something not foreseen. |
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this is MY theory, i didnt read this anywhere |
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"i believe the way we live now is extremely pleasant" also, i think people know what a black swan is you condescending ignorant tit. |
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stop trolling my thread :( |
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why do you care about hungary kids in africa.... they dont care bout you. |
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no, i won't. not until you admit you're a stupid cunt who has been watching too much science fiction and probably not been out the house enough. Its hardly trolling. you made one of the most ignorant posts I've read on this board, (that takes some doing) and now you don't like it because your hair brained whack theories that a 10 year old might dream up don't stand up to the slightest bit of scrutiny. you fucking idiot. |
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ill also tell you that if we manage to move things into space or at least get new type of energy, all these technological advancements can help ALL of humanity live better. while i dont think my theories have anything to do with the state of the world now, since you brought it up you might like to think about that. we live in a place where we are locked into a capitalistic system that creates lesser fortunate people around the world, and technological advancements on a great scale can help EVERYONE get jobs and can help humanity evolve into something completely different than current economic and political systems. you brought this into my thread like im supposed to be ashamed for not being poor, or as if im not realizing how lucky i am to live in a peaceful rich country. well screw damn you then, i already know that. i also think that the way to bring humanity forward into a peaceful and propserous future is through technology and advancement, not through war and apocalyptic settings. and yeah it is idealistic and even naive, but maybe it isnt and it could happen sometime in the future. |
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this wasnt a manual or guide, it was an idea, a concept. the implementation of this idea isnt as far away as you think, if you look around you see that we have plenty of people working on all sorts of projects. i believe the real power lies in the microscopic world, right now we're mostly above atomic level. if you merely contemplate the the polar opposites here.. one pole being apocalypse and revertion back to the stone age, and the other being advancement and creation of new things, i think you must agree that the latter is the better. |
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we are nothing but advanced monkeys. there will not be a day on which we will no longer long for trees and bananas. guybrush, you need to chill the fuck out and eat a banana. |
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so its apocalypse or star trek? why must these be opposites.. perhaps the confines of your overstretched imagination? you really are a simple simon. fuck off. |
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your the fucking tit when you think everyone knows what a black swan is. You think those kids in africa do? Don't they still not know how to read? You think you're more "rock bottom" than cx is, just proves how much constant shit you go through, try to degrade everyone elses desires and discussions by calling them ignorant and using statistics to back up your apparent displaced anger toward this guy who posted. You didn't have to chime in, what are you trying to do teach him some manners? Give up your superiority complex. |
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galaxy you fucking idiot dont prick the threaaaaad |
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hey settle down man, why are you attacking cx so much? all he did was express an idea, yeh it sounds far beyond are current understanding of reality, but it's fine to discuss things like this! by all means give us your thoughts, but don't abuse members like that, because i find it offensive and cruel science fiction inspired scientists and engineers for developing new technology... if you look at the past, computers, the internet, satellites, robots, space travel, advanced medicines etc have all been predicted by various science fictions writers since the 20s These writers played an important role in helping to inspire human creativity and ingenuity for our new technology, and that can be proven if you like.. |
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if you want to side with an ignorant bastard be my guest. or you could just fuck off |
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you havent contemplated my idea at all, you have not spent a single minute looking into it beyond the mere aggressive first reaction you obviously had. this is an /idea/ its a dream, a fantasy even. you are also indulging in luxuries children in africa cant, like sitting on the computer insulting people. you're being a bit of a hypocrit |
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id much rather keep nature than most of the people i have ever meet humans are more or less a virus, and destroy nature = good |
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hey i'm all for reasonable debate, but when i hear someone spewing out such trite sentiments they deserve it. |
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thats a good point and we could have discussed this if guybrush hadnt come in and trollfucked my thread into oblivion. |
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@ cx, Humanity to me isn't one organism, it doens't act as a whole and therefore trying to get evryone to upgrade like this is really a romanticized idea more than anything else, it's more complicated. First there would be organizations and various people with differing motives dealing with this adaption to a space environment. Look at all the people even now who are trying to fund concepts and ideas that are moving towards this goal. Humans are individual creatures that thrive on their own individual needs and desires, and to assume everyone would want to move away from the evironment that we have messed up here on Earth in the hopes of transcending this environment is not really forseeable. Maybe a select few, but i'm sure 3 world wars would take place before anything like that is actually set into motion. |
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Jesus i think i might go slam my dick in the door... doesn't make me a hypocrite at all. if you can't work out why that is then i guess you really are a dumb fuck. |
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actually i don't need to pick sides here, i'm fine with having my own opinions, you seem to have trouble with that. |
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best thread of xlt 09 |
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i like it |
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Yeah good points, I guess you're right. But the optimist in me still holds close the idea that we will one day grow beyond our current system of function, and that technology will grow rapidly. Like look at the microchip or the internet, in the 30s it would have been science fiction and unbelievable that people would spend 10 hours a day on the computer in the future. But it happened. All we need is the opportunity to do so, and our social evolution will guide us into how we use it. I would rather have an optimistic goal of all the things I've stated above, than think that we would be stuck here forever. let's call it the futurist in me.. There are of course many issues and things one could debate, but frankly guybrush removed the spark i had when i made this thread and i dont really feel like it anymore. |
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i thought my DVDA thread was gunna be a hit :( |
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yeah it kinda does.. you accuse me of living a sheltered life and yada yada, well guess what, you at least have enough money for a computer and an internet connection, so your life must be a bit sheltered too. at least compared to children in africa. |
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I've never seen such an angry Tim Schafer fan I'm upset that Billy Mays died, too, but c'mon |
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i'm sure something like that could happen in the future, but with all problems with the United Nations and other global organizations just proves how intricate and diverse our species is to ever come together in that way, i think i can see an apocolypse type scenario playing out before any other. I'm not pessimistic in life, but i think people are too different from each other too get along in such a way that would ever allow something like this to take place, i would be one the people who would rather stay here. |
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Personally I believe we will migrate to mars, this planet will die out which is inevitable. This technology you speak of, it will be too controversial for everyone to conform to. causing a chaotic divide between man-machines and normal humans. But only the wealthy can afford to migrate, so many people will be left to perish on a decaying planet with no chance of survival . This would be a kind of reversal of how religious people believe the end to be. the good souls get left to die and the rich bastards get to live on a new red paradise mars. The process of engineering a new planet habitable for humans is called 'terraforming', we're pretty close at launching a manned mission now. we can inhabit mars and make it similar to earth over a long period of time, this is not far fetched at all. but how? As you know mars is damn cold, there is no eco system like we have here, no air to breath, 95% carbon dioxide and about 5 % nitrogen .... not good! so we need to fix it The first thing we need to do is warm up the planet, we know how to do that on earth, so we do the same thing, by injecting carbon dioxide into the atmosphere it would create a green house effects and warm it up. We know there is water on mars, so this would melt and (excuse my lack of scientific knowledge) make an eco system like here, with a higher temperature and weather patterns we could breath the air and with no need for protection suits. We can bring our own shit from earth, things to grow, like trees, plants and vegetables etc animals and use chemicals to help the soil to become fertile . This is a realistic vision of the future of mankind. |
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one day we will all hover about in anti gravity boots and you can have a special button on your head which automatically changes your hairstyle and water will be strawberry flavour and |
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wow |
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yeah i agree, good post.. it's what i fear the most in some ways. this idea actually comes from all the evidence our species have showed towards creativity and brilliance when it comes to art and science and everything else. i just see so much potential, but of course there is a lot to stand in our way, and in all reality it wont happen, which is a shame. but i dunno, i hope we can at least get out of our current problems and have another good 500 years of creativity and diversity in science/internet/etc. these times we are in now i feel we are much closer to some new way of living, rather than the old way where you only focused on shit right in front of your eyes. these times we have the time to think and contemplate, to enjoy and dream.. its a pretty weird time. |
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"the good souls get left to die and the rich bastards get to live on a new red paradise mars" Assuming that every poor person is a good soul and every rich person is a bastard. Not true at all. Everyone is both. nobody is a pure soul and nobody is born a true bastard. If people can't make life work on this planet, how does it makes sense that a different land mass will change that. So we'll just keep adapting to different planets and taking all its resources until we need to do it again and again? I'll stay here on Earth and live like the Natives did. They respected the Earth, and treated it as a god, instead of making things up to keep the monetary system alive. |
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I think a more realistic vision of the future is a post apocalyptic wasteland after arguing on the internet spiralled into nuclear war... This topic also made me think of |
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But we rely so much on this ease of living that something so small could come tomorrow and throw it right out of balance and everything as you know it would change. That's the point of talking about these things, over an internet connection, it's so easy. And for me, living where i do, in a society/place where people are driven by the pursuit of money and stature, it's very hard to find the people let alone the time to talk about these topics with. (not meaning that only a select few people like discussing topics like this, just that it's not valued anymore as an important discussion) |
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technology kills, technology saves lives... I guess it depends on how technology and knowlage is used. Its rather question of ethics and politics how humans will use gained knowlage, than question how soon we could for example travel into another galaxies. Science is always progresing, but how knowlage is used today and what will be tomorow? |
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The current way of life is just so repetitive, it's the simplest pattern, and it shows itself almost all the time, trying to exlcude yourself from it is pretty much futile, so you basically deal with it the way you want to if your mentally able enough to do so. |
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That's the only feasible solution. I really like the one about living in flying cities in the upper reaches of Jupiter's atmosphere. One step at a time, though. |
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You build your own life on foundation wich was given to you. |
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i guess life in space and other planets will be very unpleasant for humans. |
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