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2501
from United Kingdom on 2009-05-21 08:28 [#02292526]
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Genres are good for two things: marketing and heated conversation. Its understandable, to a degree, why we have it, and it makes finding music we like a bit easier, but in the end all it does is cause division. Obviously there is thick boarders between a country and western CD, and the latest "Club Anthems", but essentially to the listener, no matter what instrument is playing or whos singing about what, it is only air vibrations that does stuff to our brains via our ears.
To be honest I'd rather have much softer boarders between all music. I feel this would be a giant step forward in how people view music, and their current ideas about it. It would also dramatically increase the creative scope from newer bands. They wouldnt have to worry about choosing a genre and sticking, and being restricted to it.
Ive seen so called "IDM" as a seed for this. The computer has been well glued onto music, and it is the fastest evolving and changing thing made by man. It is, and will continue to drag up the music with it. I believe this giant change will help smooth out bumps and scratches made by countless disputes over "Genres" and "Sub Genres", and I believe the "I" in "IDM" will increase, as blisteringly fast as the capabilities of the home computer. I'm predicting that in years to come, what people are feeding into their ears for entertainment will be highly computer-processed, to a degree we can only imagine what it could sound like.
In this evolution, perhaps people will look back on the innovators of the day, such as Richard D James as important classics, and mines of inspiration.
Please discuss and tell me what you think!
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2009-05-21 08:34 [#02292527]
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breaking down genres feels so idm. anyway defined genres are something humanity did to classify sound, it was obviously natural. cant we just listen and stop talking?
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2009-05-21 08:41 [#02292531]
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its a messageboard after all
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cwnt
on 2009-05-21 08:59 [#02292537]
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idm american mistaken interpretation of aphex now dead
RIP IDM pile of shit name pile of shit misunderstanding pile of shit philosophy
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2009-05-21 09:05 [#02292540]
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all of which are american dreams. DONT BE FOOLED!!!
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cwnt
on 2009-05-21 09:10 [#02292541]
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idm = flashbulb
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cwnt
on 2009-05-21 09:14 [#02292542]
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This is the definition of IDM and this is IDM too.
Well if you like IDM that's up to you. IDM has nothing to do with career of aphex twin except some american kids on a messageboard called him that, then they bullied other messageboard kids to say the same. Luckily it is dying out because of Analord showing the true path for the future of music. Autechre fans will scream and cry and moan but they will fail there is nothing they can do now hehehehe.
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Barcode
from United Kingdom on 2009-05-21 09:21 [#02292544]
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Very perceptive, but why do you limit such borders to music?
If all music is, is "air vibrations that does stuff to our brains via our ears.", then you can say exactly the same thing about language/thought, which create exactly the same divisions, boundaries and restrictions, and are equally meaningless at the end of the day.
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nightex
from Šiauliai (Lithuania) on 2009-05-21 09:59 [#02292552]
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I think also software is a key for productivity and inteligent music making. By possibility to use advanced and intuitive "tools" we can make advanced "surgery" for sine waves. Problem is that advanced tools is less intuitive becouse it gives many options, and vice versa.
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2009-05-21 10:05 [#02292553]
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music is 'how do ya woke up this morning?'
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2009-05-21 10:10 [#02292555]
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shutup sphincter face.
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2009-05-21 10:13 [#02292556]
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i like the people that speak some language with music
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2009-05-21 10:14 [#02292557]
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also i like the people that speak some music with language
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2501
from United Kingdom on 2009-05-21 10:14 [#02292558]
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IDM is another lame-ass vibe-butchering packet genre, but whoever made it was right about the "I" for intelligence (IMHO of course).
But look how much the computer has accelerated medicine, construction, production and so many other things. It must do the same to music, and it already has begun, long ago.
Take a look at some Aphex Twin sheet music. It is ridiculously complex to say the least. So long as the computer chuggs along like a smoking train, the only way is up.
Computerized vibrations can only get more intelligent.
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2009-05-21 10:16 [#02292559]
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which create exactly the same unions, infinities and freedoms, and are equally meaningful at the end of the day.
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Samuel L Jigsaw
from swine flu central on 2009-05-21 10:22 [#02292560]
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Is there anything really worth talking about?
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2501
from United Kingdom on 2009-05-21 10:29 [#02292562]
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yeah, otherwise, why would you waste time on a forum
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2009-05-21 10:32 [#02292563]
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of course. you lot can talk all day long.
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2501
from United Kingdom on 2009-05-21 10:40 [#02292565]
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AMPI MAX: coming on a forum, about music, where people talk about music, doesn't strike me as the best place for someone who just likes to listen?
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yoyoyoyo
from Sweden on 2009-05-21 11:06 [#02292567]
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boring
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2501
from United Kingdom on 2009-05-21 11:22 [#02292571]
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lol
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ijonspeches
from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2009-05-21 12:09 [#02292576]
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there is a name for "undefined genre" its pop. it merges everything. put a donk on it.
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2009-05-21 12:13 [#02292577]
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he wasn't being an asshole, he just wanted to say that it's the music that bring us on a forum about music, and he's right.
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2009-05-21 12:16 [#02292578]
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i fell asleep before i could read it all
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2009-05-21 12:31 [#02292581]
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lol
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cx
from Norway on 2009-05-21 13:16 [#02292592]
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yea true, but somehow everyone agrees on what a chair is or isnt, while agreeing on what is ambient or not is another matter.
there is a subjectivity to music that everything else doesnt have..
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Four Giants
on 2009-05-21 13:21 [#02292593]
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electronic music
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larn
from PLANET E (United Kingdom) on 2009-05-21 13:29 [#02292595]
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NO MORE TEARS!
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2501
from United Kingdom on 2009-05-21 13:32 [#02292597]
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well thank you for waking up and leaving a post.
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2501
from United Kingdom on 2009-05-21 13:35 [#02292598]
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what do you reckon he is on the forum to discuss?
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2009-05-21 13:41 [#02292599]
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What does an advance in computer technology have to do with genres? (hint: nothing.)
Anyway, organizational divisions in data are incredibly useful. Are libraries causing unrest by separating fiction books from non-fiction?
You're oversimplifying the matter by saying that all music is just "air vibrations that does stuff to our brains." If all you can discern when listening to Garth Brooks vs. Autechre is the air vibrating, you might as well just give up listening to music.
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2009-05-21 13:41 [#02292600]
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a change to music
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2009-05-21 13:43 [#02292601]
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also, forget about beating us :)
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2009-05-21 17:11 [#02292634]
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i discuss plenty you fanny smudge. fuck your steenkin 'lets rip up the script' bullshit. music has been around for many years and while great men were defining these 'borders' you were still shitting in your hands and rubbing it in your face.
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gingaling
from Scamworth (Burkina Faso) on 2009-05-21 17:14 [#02292635]
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disscuss bull shite, and d/l hanal/vlari mixes like the rest of us.
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Samuel L Jigsaw
from swine flu central on 2009-05-21 17:17 [#02292637]
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You've gone almost completely Busey.
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2009-05-21 17:21 [#02292640]
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haha
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Barcode
from United Kingdom on 2009-05-21 17:49 [#02292650]
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If you were constipated you'd be speechless.
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2501
from United Kingdom on 2009-05-22 09:44 [#02292736]
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You're all missing the point: the Internet WILL replace music.
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ijonspeches
from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2009-05-22 10:42 [#02292743]
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watch out! you cant say that word in here...
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2009-05-22 10:51 [#02292745]
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that avatar is awesome
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ijonspeches
from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2009-05-22 11:00 [#02292746]
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thx baby 8)
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pulseclock
from Downtown 81 on 2009-05-22 11:00 [#02292747]
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Electronic music can be simplified like this:
Aphex Twin - the Coca Cola of modern electronic music
Autechre - the Pepsi Cola of modern electronic music
Squarepusher - the Faygo of modern electronic music
Venetian Snares - the Jones Soda of modern electronic music
Drexciya - the Vitamin Water of modern electronic music
It's a matter of taste
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ijonspeches
from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2009-05-22 11:25 [#02292751]
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still it comes in handy to ask for a coke and get one... i like orangina these days (ceephax acid)
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ijonspeches
from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2009-05-22 11:30 [#02292755]
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also aphex is clearly not coca-cola, its ginger ale.
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2009-05-22 11:37 [#02292758]
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no.
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obara
from Utrecht on 2009-05-22 11:38 [#02292759]
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Faygo plus 1/2 bottle of vodka. shaken and stirred
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pulseclock
from Downtown 81 on 2009-05-22 12:24 [#02292764]
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.on
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pulseclock
from Downtown 81 on 2009-05-22 12:31 [#02292767]
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Yeah i think Ceephax would be Crush Soda
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2009-05-22 13:48 [#02292798]
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now you're talkin.
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