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I was thinking of buying one. I really like tap pads, and am somedays sick of using computers to make music. What does XLT recommend ? $1200-ish |
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Canadian :P |
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mpc 1000 is good enough |
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over rated, lazily made, overpriced products. |
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get an old 2000xl with internal flash card reader, 8 outputs and effects board off ebay dirt cheap and be well pleased or much cooler an emu sp12 turbo ensoniq asr-x and sequential studio 440 are a bit spesh too there are tons once you start looking properly |
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Here is what I think: MPC500 - it's a toy. Avoid. MPC1000 - Get the JJOS for it and its a good little box, providing you get a recent one (old ones had flakey pads) MPC2500 - price increase over MPC1000 isn't really justified IMO. MPC5000 - too expensive. -= classic models =- MPC60 - ancient. nice sounding (non linear 12 bit sound) hardly any sample time, shows its age. MPC3000 - souped up 60, pretty good, but expensive and sought after MPC2000 - mini 3000, alright. XL version is better and was very popular (ebay will have some) replace floppy drive with card reader (check scsiforsamplers.com) MPC4000 - beast of a thing, has a Z series sampler in it. too expensive. don't think akai finished the OS entirely before going tits up. I use a MPC1000 and I like it. There are a few things to note: 1) older models (the blue/red and early black ones) had individual rubber pads that break after a while. New ones dont have this, make sure the one you get is a BK-N model. check the pads are all on one sheet of rubber (push one sideways and check the neighbours move) 2) Akai OS is a bit poo. get the JJOS for it. There is a free version and a pay one. Get the free one (http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~mpc1000/) I think the JJOS1 is the best pay one. JJOS2 and others do more samplery type things (ADSR envelopes and instrument programs), which I think a drum machine/sequencer doesnt need (I have S5000 rack sampler for that stuff). 3) The internal fx are a bit dull. they're not bad. they're not good. they are alright but you probably want to use outboard. 4)screen doesnt tilt. This is a minor annoyance, but not a show stopper. 5)need to stick more RAM in it. Akai brand is expensive. Just buy laptop memory (cheap). have a look on the mpcforums.com thingy to find out more. I think akai only address half of the mem, so you get a 256MB lappy mem to do the full mpc 128MB or some such nonsense. If you're not desperate for it, might be worth waiting a bit to see what the Linndrum II is like. |
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Dave_g said it all mostly. I would follow his advice about the Linndrum II. I had one of the red blue ones. Aside from one of my pads being slightly unresponsive on the upper corner of one of the pads they all worked fine for over 2 years. I ended up selling it. It was nice to have at first, but the limitations ended up slowing my workflow down instead of improving them like I thought it might. |
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You might notice that that doesn't seem to be made by akai. |
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i never claimed it was either. |
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he never claimed it was |
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Hmmm ... It will sound lazy but I don't really want to search around for stuff. What would you say is the best out of the box tap sampler/production station ? Something about MPC that seems really nice, just tape out tracks real easy. dave_g thanks for the awesome post ! |
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I browsed the Sound-on-Sound article for the MPC500 (which a friend is shopping for, not me) and it mentioned the Boss SP05 and the Korg ESX1, anyone (dave g) know the pros or cons? |
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I never said that you did. |
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never said that you did... |
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>shrug< You get what you pay for. But if you don't do your research you will find yourself getting things that you don't want. An MPC isn't a bad choice, but it might not be the right choice for you. Go into a music store and try one out. Albeit there are a lot of functions that aren't immediately accessible, but you can figure out if its the environment you want to tap out tracks with. |
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I just want to be able to tap out my songs and piece together songs like in realtime. The korg stuff isn't very fun because it's really doesn't allow to record live very well, and to build a song in realtime isn't very accessible. The impression I get with the akai is that I can record for 3minutes and it will record all my actions, then allow me to go back and edit them. I'm tired of the mouse :) |
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It will let you do that. However editing sounds on mpc's takes a ridiculous amount of time. Its also not worth it unless you get the memory upgrade. |
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I don't think the time it takes is "ridiculous". Taxi, you never did try out the JJOS did you? JJOS has lots of tweaks to make things faster, easier, etc. i.e. use qlink sliders to set sample start/stop times :) Bear in mind that DJ Shadow did all of Endtroducing on a MPC60, which had about 13 seconds of sample time, the default MPC1000 memory gives about ten times this: 136seconds. Not necessarily a show stopper. The thing is, this is not a computer. If you come to it from the Portastudio and TR808 type world then it's amazing. If you come to it from the world of Reason, Logic, etc then it you think it's missing so many features and won't like it. Video time, some MPC and SP action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoByW7GFe1o&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jLWHKS02LI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z73CcodfT_w&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T2gVLV9VdA&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKDyHLRfjKA&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf_VPz2hTPY I use SP303 and MPC1000. I have no experience with Korg boxes. they're probably alright, but I can't comment. I want to get a SP555 but can't really justify a 4th sampler! I think if you got ANY of the ones in the vids above you would be able to make music and have fun, but you probably want to have a think about exactly what features you want. The SP boxes are cheap and good fun. The MPCs are a bit more professional and are more suited to more complex arrangements (much better sequencer/editing). The Roland MV8000 series are more expensive but equivalent to MPCs. The SP series have really musical fx, MPC fx are functional but dull. If you need to do sequencing and editing of tracks in a studio type environment, get a MPC. If you're doing more remix type stuff or live work, either SP or MPC. But please, watch the vids and decide for yourself. None of them would be a "bad" purchase. JDilla made whole tracks on SP303, so nothing is impossible! |
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I never said anything bad about it. I just wanted him to do some research before paying 1200 for something that might not work for him. |
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If you're black and do hip-hop, Akai makes a special discount. |
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No need for that you idiot. |
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consider an ensoniq. you can pick some of them up really cheap- they have loads of character, lovely effects+shit loads of modulation mangling possibilities. maybe not recommended if you want to do that sort of jdilla sample huge phrases stuff but for getting a couple of seconds of sound and then going to town on it, they're great. careful you don't get a flakey one tho. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jhqA3oP4dc |
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So I went to the music store today and tried the MPC1000 and the 500 (I think). Anyway, I'm glad you guys suggested I try them out, cause honestly I really didn't like them. The biggest surprise for me was the OS. I just didn't feel like screwing around with it.Maybe I should just pick up an electribe... |
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Forat called, he said for you to go fuck yourself with a cactus. |
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Haha! Is that the best you can do? You spout bigoted racist shit all the time. What are you trying to say? |
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Did I drop some change? or... |
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