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explain how this works please. |
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god |
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first the hen crossed the street |
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it isn't possible for human beings to understand this. if you're thinking that this is a nihilist position, i would counter that there's nothing nihilistic about the human condition. we do not know or interact with reality; we build models and interact with them, and we call our models "reality." there is only one who experiences reality, and that is the one who is synonymous with being. of course, since the depth of knowledge and experience that *is* within our grasp is still 99.9% mysterious, i think we've got plenty to keep us busy. |
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moops, i was referring to the question "what happened before the big bang?" |
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it's an anti-aliasing problem. as soon as god upgrades his video card it'll be fixed. |
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quantum physics is modern day science re-wording ancient eastern philosophy |
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did you guys know the chinese expression for "buddha" is just the two characters meaning "man", and "no man"? quantum physics is the same thing. it is the philosophy of the buddha. particles coming into phase, and going out of phase. "thingness" and "nothingness", yin and yang, the resulting energy field being "ki", generated from the movement of non-being into being. |
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all i know is: we need to stop polluting so that one day we might find out. |
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its also called the physics of possibilities, implying an observation of reality that is different as the one we are used to, giving the people more responsibility for what happens in their everyday life. it describes the effect of our thought towards the world at the microscopic level (the whole universe is made of vibrating particles) and the most corageus scientists affirm that we're also capable to change reality at the macroscopic level but we're uncapable to perceive it cos we have not been taught to conceive such kind of observation, so we take every change (good or bad) for granted as if it was just a matter of fate (religion). or as if it was a coincidence to think the same thing of your friend in the very same moment (e.g. you stole the words right out of my mouth), no matter if the friend is sitting near you or if it's thousand miles away, etc. |
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it isn't possible for human beings to understand this just because you don't understand doesn't mean nobody else does. |
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as i like to say, in the future science and spirituality will be merged into one discipline. superstition has no place in science or spirituality, which is why religion lives on borrowed time (unless we experience another dark age, in which case it seems likely to flourish). more to the point, there are eleven dimensions. or nineteen. possibly seventeen. i think we can safely rule out 16. |
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welcome back, captain obvious. |
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more importantly, you miss my point. but if you can find someone in this world who can explain what happened before the big bang, let us know so we can put them in charge of the universe. |
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what does that make you? captain platitude? |
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i was assuming you were talking about quantum mechanics but as for the big bang, if there was 'a big bang', then there was no time before it so to ask what happened before it is asking a nonsense question. |
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you needed to read the post that followed immediately after, which clarified what i referred to. it is not a nonsense question. and your assertion that "there was no time" may be accurate, but try to explain what that means. what are the features of nothing? of course, it has no features. i think it's a slippery and fascinating (though yeah, ultimately fruitless) idea: no time, no substance, no energy. and then... captain platitude, at your service. first you'll walk the plank. ah but we'll fish you out and have a laugh. |
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religion and spirituality is the same cup of bs, appealing to the same sort of people. science, which quatum mechanics is part of (although all kinds off bullshitters are stealing the name), is the best approach to finding the thruth. |
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the thruth is out there |
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thrhuth |
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science is awesome man |
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Zebra is always the one who who has to type loadz at people. I like it. I alwayz read his things. |
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you're cool, you should type more. |
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Zebra: pure energy, discorporate, the Logos, living information, the "plasmate" |
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everything about this thread angers me |
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i have a pretty good apologetic for the problem of evil. wanna hear it? i told my friend once i was interested in apologetics, and he said "i don't think you have anything to be sorry about." |
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heh :P glasse i liked that avatar you had before with that green monster thing dunno why but there was just something about it that tickled me |
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yea i remember that one, it was a good one. the joker av was kind of typical and shit but that was part of the charm for me. |
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Here's something really fucked up. Quantum physics states that all particles are also waves... meaning essentially that human beings themselves and other living creatures are waves. Now, if we were to vibrate slowly enough through a thin doorway, we would refract, as light does, into several beings existing simultaneously. Only when someone looks at one being does only that one being looked at then exist. Screwed. |
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Does it start with that you assume I've answered in the affirmative? |
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The universe started when Uncle Fester farted It all came out retarded The Adams Family |
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i think that's a popular misconception that someone needs to look at something for a probability wave to collapse. it will collapse if the pathway is open for observation and doesn't require any 'intelligent observer' to do so. if that were so then quantum physics would have to be a theory of consciousness too. |
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i just read whatever it says on the pamphlet. i did come up with a pretty good one though, and have been looking for an excuse to post it somewhere. its not something that is going to convert anyone or would be intended to. |
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I'll give it fair consideration if you post it. You wanna post it here or elsewhere? Apologetics isn't necessarily about conversion but can be about establishing a rational warrant for belief. |
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i will get around to posting it. have to be in the right mind frame, and right now gilmore girls is on in the background. i will make a proper thread for it when i do. |
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And Quantum isn't a theory of consciousness? |
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they aren't probability waves.. also, it is in a sense a theory of spirituality, because one must somehow define observer and non-observer. |
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this thread should be about parkinsons disease |
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science hasn't really given us more than the faintest glimmer of the origin of the universe, and we are far, far away from a unified theory (in my opinion). let's keep working on it. fortunately i know that i can't change anyone's mind. i don't want to, unless it would limit their suffering. i'm interested in those people who have had experiences of gnosis, that are wondering if there is value in pursuing their intuition. no matter if we are discussing science or spirituality, my fundamental point is that in our every interaction with these disciplines (and i understand that some do not believe that spirituality can be a discipline) we are operating models that are subject to change. i'm not a religious person, and i don't believe in the paranormal. to me, the so-called paranormal represents a lack of understanding; the truth might in fact be prosaic and banal or novel and surprising. i do believe that there is a much greater depth to what we call reality than we perceive with our senses and our instruments. i do believe that we are still quite low on the learning curve regarding our existence. i regret even having to use the word spirituality, having no reasonable alternative, because there is so much confusion about what it means, and so many negative preconceptions that color its use. we've got to live right now. we will likely all be dead before quantum physics is reconciled with the rest of the universe and its origin. we don't want religious nuts controlling our lives, and we don't want soviet or maoist style scientific materialists dictating our choices to us. if we agree on anything, we agree that we were born to grow and change, to continue seeking. this is the purpose that i perceive in science, and also spirituality. for those who are wondering about their own experiences, i'd like to add that i think you may be on to something. |
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:) |
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Spirituality, another dumb word that should be consigned to the dustbin along with the "soul". |
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shut up bitch! |
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... and Mohamed. |
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I always thought the double-slit experiment was completely whack. You know, the one where the observation changes the outcome. I saw it in a documentary and read it in a couple of articles, completely blew my mind. So I was reading up on this after seeing this topic and this is what I found on Wikipedia: "It is a widespread misunderstanding, originating with the Copenhagen interpretation, that any modification of the apparatus that can determine which slit a photon passes through destroys the interference pattern, thus illustrating the complementarity principle in the sense of particle-wave complementarity." So did I misunderstand? I don't get all this gibberish. |
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