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Cognitive is to do with the brain, so no. |
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Why are you worried about it? |
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and if that's not good enough... |
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I dont think you can compare animals to computers. The human cognition is more like a mirror. It doesnt just reflect (or reverberate) it bends the light. This means the human brain constructs some parts of reality, which a computer does not (it just interprets the input) |
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The brain functions in exactly the same way as a computer, but a lot more sophisticated. The sensory input received by the brain on a minute-by-minute basis becomes vastly complex and enormously varied, shaped by an individuals culture and environment. This massive knowledge pool enables each individual to appear to have a unique mind, unique personality - but that is completely superficial. The fact is, we are carbon copies, automatons and, unless mentally disabled, all of us function in exactly the same way - there is no uniqueness there at all. Furthermore, any intellectual input is completely meaningless. There is no such thing as British, Asian, Atheist, Monk, Christian, it's a complete fabrication/invention of the mind - you're nothing. Your life is meaningless and valueless over and above what nature intended - for you to procreate. Still, we have to do something with our time, so we have to induldge in this world of complete fantasy, where thoughts and ideas are actually supposed to mean something. Of course, they don't. |
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That's why self-importance, in any field, is utterly preposterous. |
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you always try to explain something that can be understood only by living |
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Surely there is no harm in looking into other religions. just find one you think will make you happier and then begin to practice when your family are not around, or when you move out or something. How old are you, out of curiosity? Surely if you are of a certain age, your family won't ostracise you, or do anything too bad, as they will repsect your right as a mature individual to have whatever beliefs you like! I am sure I don't fully understand what your situation is and I am making it sound easier than it really is for you. Therefore, please explain a little more about your family backround. |
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"Perception is reality" — Paul Rand. |
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Isn't Occam's razor the principle of deconstruction? That's precisely what I'm doing, telling you in the simplest of terms that you're a machine, you're not unique, and anything you superimpose above eating, sleeping and fucking is completely meaningless. What could be simpler than that? |
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i'm glad you quoted that |
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Perception with the physical eye only. |
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If you compare the human brain with a computer, you got the intelligence of a pocket calculator (a very cheap one) |
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Pfff, what you call YOU isn't even real, let alone legitimate. Through the sophistication of thought you are enabled to shaped an opinion about yourself that is entirely false and your self-imposed insecurity leads you to fear the opinions of others which are also entirely false. So you are pitifully motivated or accomplished - so what? Who says you have to be motivated? Maybe you don't even want a job. What do you want by the way? That's all that is important. What you want, not what others want for you. |
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You're pretty fucked up aren't you? Get back to basics for god sake. |
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Perception is awareness acquired through the senses, into valid concepts that identify the facts of reality. A=A A thing is itself. It can only be one thing at one time. |
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your original statement is false logic. so no. |
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the brain is more similar to a hologram than a computer |
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"A=A A thing is itself. It can only be one thing at one time." then what's to separate something from say what it was 10 minutes ago and what it is now? it's different. tautologies are static and can't admit change or becoming. |
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so our realities are like complex hologram projections that aren't just interpreting matter/energy "data" but actually constructing an environment from it.. and also we have no higher purpose other than eating, sleeping, and shitting and anything above that is superimposed.. i think just the idea that we actually co-generate an environment in which to live does more than imply something more to thought and consciousness than just something superimposed. |
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the mind (and the whole nervous system since it's an extension of the brain) acts as an 'analogue' to the world, which it is specially tuned (through evolution) to pick up. really you're in a wash of noise, all sorts of electromagnetic radiation and radiowaves etc. all over the place, but because of the specialized structure of your physiology, you're able to perceive things. |
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yea, it's neat how that all worked out so well. everything is just neat, and that is its purpose. the higher purpose is to take a minute and just say cool. |
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Context. Something presently, and something from ten minutes ago, are different things. |
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Nah, I'm pretty much in the same point right now. Since that fucking salvia experiment all the questions that I learned to ignore over the years came back, but wherever I go with the though, in a matter of a couple of steps I always face the oldest question of why anything exists rather than nothing. All the religions, as far as I know, give only makeshift answers to that if any. More so they tend to add an unjustifiable claim of the desirability of eteral existence. I was advised to read Hume, gonna rent some of his works as soon as possible. |
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then where/when is it ever the same thing? |
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Never. |
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Objectivists don't understand the difference between states of affairs and statements about states of affairs. They think logic applies to physical reality, not to language. In this, they are identical to presuppositionalist Christians of the Van Til - Bahnsen - Plantinga variety. Constantly confusing induction, deduction and physics. |
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Chapter 9 of is the best of Hume on induction. The rest of the book is good too but this is the money shot. |
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so A never equals A? :) |
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All of your emotions and feelings are produced by various chemicals in your brain. emotions being merely chemicals processed in an organic computer like brain makes some people feel hopeless of being special, but this would be a mistake. Don't become despondent, we are still special, we can still process complex feelings and emotions which are valuable to us subjectively. Most of the time we are not introspective and aware of this as a physical process and who cares how this process works anyway? The fact of the matter is that it works well and it helps us to be creative inspire others.. and build things The technicians who built the first computers were obviously influenced by their own minds in which they built a machine that processes/stores/interacts and so on. that's why they seem similar to us in their operation. Even if science can completely explain how our brains work, does that disprove us being special or spiritual? i'm not saying i believe in God, just stating that if God were real, there is nothing wrong with humans tinkering with his reality and how it works. There is actually a part of your brain dedicated to thinking metaphysically, try to be more positive about it because if you start to see it negatively it will only get worse. I too was born into a christian family and i spent years trying to understand the nature of reality, only to find many paradoxes along the way. I still to this day have moments of confusion about what is real. but as you get older you find a more solid view point and things get easier. regards Larn |
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"Special", compared to what? |
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perception is nine tenths of the law. |
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i thought it was deception... |
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fart penis |
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i woke Retape up with a morning fart last weekend |
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the mind is a constituent element of the universe. whats wrong is that the mind has developed a sense of time. suddenly we are no longer constitutents of the universe, but meaningless, mortal fragments suspended between "life" and "death", allowed a few short-lived pleasures followed by pain and ultimate annihilation. this is not true. what is true is that there is no end and beginning to us, we have been here all along. we are eternal just remember - you and that computer you're typing on were forged in a giant, burning radioactive magnet suspended in a vacuum at one point. how does that make you feel |
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i've had some crazy ideas about consciousness and perception. the words fractal and tessellating come to mind. chaos, infinity, shrinking and expanding at an exponential rate. all possibility and none all at once divided by itself, always with recurring numbers. the now being all of that squeezed down a thin tube, all linking up and layering over like a zoetrope, resulting in a very unique, very individual perception of reality. |
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i say i've had, but more it's the ideas have had me! |
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well I can confidently say that human beings are the most complex life form or carbon based entity in the known universe. we don't know what else is out there, but the universe is astronomically expansive and the laws that govern it are intricate and very powerful. We have a planet that can sustain life with all the elements/chemicals required, with just enough heat and a right sized moon to keep the earth on a 23 degree axis allowing the seasons to change through the year. With all the variables we need to have a planet to sustain complex life like ours the odds of it even being possible are staggering, i would have more chance of hitting a royal flush 5 times in a row. It just so happens that we are positioned on one of the outward spiral arms of the galaxy so that we can observe the whole system with our observatory equipment. This enables us to learn how the universe operates and gives us a chance to understand our physical reality. even if we are power hungry, greedy, perverted masturbators we still have a beautiful planet and universe to explore which i think makes us special. You could compare it to another part of the galaxy were giant slugs are trying desperately to find food but can't move fast because of the heavy gravity and intense heat... |
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Barcode, you are oversimpiflying immensely. First off, nobody has given a scientific theory for the phenomena of consciousness. There is a gap between consciousness and the neurons, atoms, brain and physical systems. This gap is so vast that we will never in our lifetime get close to closing it. It's funny then, that this very consciousness is the root of everything a person experiences. We have to assume a physical reality exists, but we can in no way prove it. Everything we create, say, think and do stems from this consciousness we have. Complex abstract thoughts make up the very fabric of existence. And you are trying to say none of that means anything, and that it's all a fantasy, when you don't even know why or how it all exists? But here's some food for thought for you barcode.. Assume that what you say is true, wouldn't that mean that all these fantasies and dreamworlds we have created, would still be created by the universe, and not by us? We didn't create our consciousness, the universe did. Why did it do that? And also why shouldn't our thoughts mean something to us subjectively when they can? Is suicide the only real option? Or should we create our reality when we can, our society, why go for apathy and nihilism? |
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Assume that what you say is true, wouldn't that mean that all these fantasies and dreamworlds we have created, would still be created by the universe, and not by us? The conditions that made you create these fantasies were created with the universe. We didn't create our consciousness, the universe did. Why did it do that? It happened randomly. And also why shouldn't our thoughts mean something to us subjectively when they can? Is suicide the only real option? Or should we create our reality when we can, our society, why go for apathy and nihilism? dunno |
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'dunno' doesnt exactly answer anything :P |
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YOU WIN. |
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I'm just not sure what you're asking. You just do what you do. |
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how do you define the most 'complex'? potatoes have more genes than humans. |
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Well it was in response to barcode. He said it's all meaningless and that everything we do and believe in is fantasy and maybe not even worth doing. I asked why is this the case, who decides whats worth what and why/how |
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Nobody decides what's worth anything, because there isn't anybody to decide. Try and understand, what YOU call YOU doesn't even exist. Your physical body exists, but the labels you give yourself, whether they be your name, religion, beliefs etc., are completely false and have no meaning beyond identification. As darisugriffin mentions, it appears as though the universe created our species randomly - what makes you think there is any design or purpose? When you know something you don't have to believe in it, when you dont know something then faith or belief will not show any evidence of whatever is not known to exist. Therefore belief is pure romanticism. Just accept the truth. Your only meaning or value to nature is to reproduce, once you have done that you are better off dead where the worms can feed from your dead carcass. Your only meaning or value to another human being is to fulfil them in some way. If you have nothing to offer then nobody is the slightest bit interested in you. To perpetuate that, and to give this life more meaning, to avoid the ghastly boredom of living in a Western society, man has invented a plethora of idelogies based on nothing. It's a fairytale existence, and you best go along for the ride - the alternative is even more misery. |
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AND ANOTHER THING... what's all this talk of nihilism!?? I am offering you the complete opposite of nihilism. Belief IS confusion, religion IS fear, ambition IS pressure. That stress will lead you to an early grave. When you negate all of that, what is left? A relaxed mind, at peace with itself and living in total clarity. You accept everything for what it is and find joy in the simplest of pleasures. You are no longer a dumb, manipulated sheep, pushed and prodded by society all over the place to satisfy their lust to take advantage out of you and pickpocket your intellect. |
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there isn't anybody to decide? are you denying that people exist? you draw a different definition between YOU and your body. isn't YOU the sum of all, body and brain combined (brain being mind) sidenote. did you know that the body doesn't need the brain for certain reflexes. for example, if you have your hand over a flame. the message for you to move your hand is built into the body and needs no message from the brain to perform the function. you say a name is false. nothing more than identification. what was it ever more than identification? i think that to know something is to believe in it. i know that when i drop a ball it will fall to the ground. i know it will happen and i believe it will happen. as if for a moment doubt is brought into me when the ball is in my hand, my knowledge may become uncertain but my belief that it will fall is my conviction of how certain i am of my reality. a lot of the time though beliefs are outside of provable realms of daily existence and thus i am tempted to call them unknowable and unbelievable. i could tell you that last night i had a dream about a clown. you have no way of proving that and i have no way of proving it. whilst i don't remember any dream i had last night, it would be possible for me to convince myself that it actually happened and will be able to make you believe too indeed that a clown appeared in my dreams. you speak of nature. before you said that YOU don't exist. are you not a product of nature. are you not in some respects a part of nature, just like how a rose is a part of a plant? what does nature really want? do things not only replicate if and as much as possible as they can. do we not have this quality to thank for this conversation now? talk to me more about value and worth. 'nature' seems to have a drive towards replication but where would we be without knowledge of agriculture. if there is information that helps keep life sustainable then surely you can say this has value. |
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And then a demon came and ate the amateur epistemologists. A demon named Cuddles. |
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