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i really want to own an analog synth one day. this looks like a great starting point. for roughly 500US do you guys think it looks worth it someday? |
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yep. looks good. |
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no filter options tho, would have to spring for one of or . seems like so much fun |
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It has a filter. Looks like a good beginner piece for someone wanting to get into modulars. The prices is the same as a standard frame power supply and vca if you were to buy it from doepfer believe it or not. |
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ah yeah. VCF... duh. im all over it though. what can be done with patch cables on this thing? would you say the sounds that can be pulled out are as wide in range as monomachine or...? |
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one minor thing though imo, the jack ins and outs are on the lower part of the synth, so unless you use curve jacks they'll just be in the way of your hands |
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i saw a photo of the synth where the audio jacks were on the back |
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Well, your talking about two different things for two different purposes. The monomachine is a digital synthesizer with a digital sound and a great interface. This is a monophonic synthesizer with modular patching capabilities. The free flowing stuff you can get out of this will probably be a bit weirder, although you won't be able to get as many 'noisy' things out of it. That said, there are quite a few things this should be able to make that you wouldn't be able to get out of a synth with unflexable signal routing. Theoretically you should be able to use the filter as an oscillator and then patch the oscillator through as an LFO and then use the LFO to modulate that. If that gives you any idea of flexibility. |
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Is this made with discrete components? I'm guessing not, or they'd be bragging about that. |
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the lfo's on the mnm could produce some extremely crazy shit (especially with the fm machines) and rhythmically some pretty nice results would come out as a result of that with the help of param locks .. this thing just seems awesome because i have heard for so long that analog gear has a richer/fuller more warm sound than anything digital or software and just really sounds great. also love the fact that you can't save presets on it |
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ha u read it |
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Judging by what you always talk about with gear, I don't know if its right for you. |
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wake up td |
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its not just for making noise. im doing tracs lately that are bloated with cheesy 80's riffs and thumpy lil bass lines,, and i dont know. thing might fit in w/ the rest of the tools in the future. would definitely want to pull some unique sounds out of it and enjoy that analog sound as well |
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Well, buy it then. Don't take that as an insult or anything, analogue equipment just isn't for everyone. Most of the things you say about gear remind me of lost of people that I have met that seems to think they want to get into analogue synthesizers but realize they hate it when finally start using them. As far as going analogue for the sound, there are a lot of other options out there for less that offer more options closer to your liking. DSI mopho comes to mind, or the MFB synth II. |
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I apologize for not being too drunk to read a brief description. |
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what do you observe that usually turns a person off from analogue gear? |
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I think I worded myself too critically in my earlier post and I apologize. Right now I have health issues that interfere with my ability to communicate. Instead of going with something like the dark energy, maybe you should try your hand at one of the other synthesizers I mentioned. Your going to find yourself shocked and appalled if you go with something like the dark energy. You can't do things like parameter locks or automations, and even the kind of sounds you mentioned wanting to make are going to be a bit of a stretch at first. For cheesy 80s rifts and bumpy basslines, you should look into the MFB synth ii (don't go for the cheaper one with sampled waveforms, go for the one with VCO's). For a more complicated and esoteric analogue options, look at the mopho or the evolver. Each will run you less than the dark energy, and will fit into your studio better. Afterwards, if you still have a touch of gas for the dark energy, try it then. |
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what kind of health problems are there? im in the healthcare field man and ive seen you around here a bit, just curious. hope its something treatable. i know the dark energy dont got param locks or a sequencer or anything, haha. duh! but its probably a bit more tweakable than the mopho or that mfb cause of the modular section, right? which one would you say is the most tweakable? |
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I had the flu a month and a half ago, and I haven't gotten any of my energy back. I can barely concentrate or not be sitting for more than a minute or so. They don't know what the problem is. |
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It may be more tweakable than the mopho, or it may not. Dave smith likes to give his synths robust modulation sections. The one in the evolver was like playing with a wall of modulars. |
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Parameter lock is something the machine drum does, right? You can have a different value for a parameter on every step of a step sequencer? |
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yeah. really useful. you can change things too like LFO amounts per step sequencer, and then assign an LFO to modulate that LFO, and then another, pretty much all over the place. |
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i used to own a modular doepfer synth it was a half large case and it was my baby...i however had to sell it to go to Japan...some days I regret it and others I realize I love Japan and it was definitely worth it i have some images of it on my myspace...the joystick midi controller was the best. |
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for your health! |
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Well for the money I would buy an Evolver. Like taxi said, lots of mod routing + 3 envelopes, 2 real analogue vcos, 2 digital ones (think prophet VS stylie) noise source, 2/4 pole LPF, HPF, midified, 3 digital delay lines (karplus synthesis WOOO). external signal processing. ok, you don't get jacks to plug into, but the I/O is so limited on that dark energy its not worth it. evolver is monophonic and has a very basic step sequencer (think x0x). With modulars you need a few modules to make it worthwhile. That thing is just a toy really. Alright for making radiophonic style noises and things, but you will find it quite limited and end up buying proper modules anyway, so you might as well either: buy something like an evolver or... buy a few "proper" modules and rack and not waste your money on a toy. |
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i don't understand how it's just a toy? With the proper modules anything is quite possible... |
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Yes, exactly. With the proper modules anything is possible. With a toy like that not much is possible, so you go out and end up buying more anyway. Then you realise than the limited VCO, VTF, etc in the toy need to be replaced with proper VCO and VTF modules, so you might as well have bought the proper modules in the first place. At least that way they would be in the proper rackmount format. I also have to admit that using 1/4" jacks for patching is horrible and banana plugs are miles better. Also modulars are horrible for patch leads getting in the way of controls. The Synton Fenix is a nice design with all the controls on the top and patching at the bottom, as is the Korg MS20 with all the patch leads on one corner. In that respect, this thing at least has all the patching on one end, but then look... oh no. They're in the way of the controls unless you turn it upside down... and then the writing is the wrong way. Sloppy design. IT'S A TOY. Evolver has pretty flexible routing, so is mostly modular. Comes in a nice compact package and has lots of neat features. For the money the Evolver gives loads more and the only things you don't get are: * doepfer rack format (neither is toy synth) * 100% modular architecture (still very good mod matrix/routing) * ability to interface to other modular gear via jacks cygnus says he wants to own an analogue synth. Evolver has fully analogue signal path, it qualifies. It's a lovely little box, which is able to make some interesting sounds. It's a great starting point for learning about subtractive synthesis and allows cool things like Karplus Strong string sythesis via delay lines and rudimentary external signal processing, so there is lots of scope to experiment and learn as well as make music. there's also an inexpensive are rather excellent software editor (by Soundtower), which lets you do lots of interesting things like morphing patches! finally, here is a youtube of an evolver in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKMippZbi-A&feature=re |
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Here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKMippZbi-A&feature=related I'm getting really fucked off with the shit character counting and preview functions. Lazy link. This is a fucking joke. 14 characters left looks ok in preview still gets truncated WTF? |
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Interesting. I've heard demos of it before that were pretty boring. This has a lot of really deep sounds. |
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I work for DSI now doing repairs and design and such. If you end up wanting and Evolver or a Mopho lemme know, I can probably hold you a B-stock when one comes in and save ya some cash |
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Sounds like a good gig! Have you done any work on the Linn Drum II ??? Go on, dish the dirt! Is it just vapour-ware or a MPC killer or something else?? |
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Yeah I'm working on drivers for it right now, I can say it's not vapour ware and that it won't be what people are expecting. I'll say more when we get the beta units finished =) |
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I'm glad it's not what people are expecting! Sounds interesting. |
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hey thanks for the writeups dave! very helpful + informative |
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Dark Energy is a monophonic stand-alone synthesizer with USB and Midi interface. The sound generation and all modulation sources are 100% analog, only the USB/Midi interface contains digital components. Dark Energy is built into a rugged black metal case with wooden side plates. High quality potentiometers with metal shafts are used and each potentiometer is fixed to the case (no wobbly shafts and kno..... wait, A LINN DRUM II? :O |
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Here is a video of the Dark Energy. . from Musikmesse Makes some noises and things. It's alright, nothing amazing. |
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dave_g, malformed id |
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If somebody gets one please do a review for us, I'm really curious how good it sounds! I have a B-stock Mopho sitting here Cygnus if you end up wanting one, dunno what price would be. Can let ya know when I get an evolver too just send me at email at chris@davesmithinstruments.com |
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I just bought a mopho today. Almost fills in every niche I used the evolver for (wish I hadn't have sold that... I didn't need a new mixer that much). Great sounding little synthesizer. I will post some demos on my soundcloud page later. You work for good people Sanguine. |
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