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this seems to be a pretty hot topic, i guess i don't care that much. but i'm still insecure using fl studio and i'm wondering. like this guy i know and that is a good producer said other DAWs than FL sounded more wet to him for now my opinion is if the DAW matters at all it doesn't matter significantly the plugins you use are more important. at some point i decided though, the EQ of FL Studio didn't sound good, but now i wonder wether that makes sense |
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i forget a ? in the title |
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it's bullshit. eq2 in FL is definitly better though. haven't really listend soundwise but it's allot easier to use. |
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whatever man |
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aphex twin uses fl studio |
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It's true! Every DAW has a different sound. Ableton Live sounds blue/pink with a hint of licorice. Cubase has plaid sound with flavor nodules. Pro Tools smells like farts trapped in a foam rubber cushion. |
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DAW's are just programs that compute and process information, they don't add any sound coloring, that would be either your sound card, or headphones. it's like saying iTunes changes the quality of a CD being played through it. |
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iTunes is silver / butterscotch and emits clims. |
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that being said, different DAWs can produce a different sound because their EQs, compression, etc. sound different. Also if they have different resolution capabilities. I did notice a jump in fidelity and clarity when I moved from Cubase 5 to Ableton Live, but I am pretty sure Live had a default higher bit rate for audio then that version of Cubase. How the DAW handles rendering might affect it, too. Not exactly related, but I once had to go back to Cubase to cut apart a master w/ crossovers between tracks because Live could not seem to render the tracks without a pop inbetween. It was like the clock was off by a milisecond or something. |
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Try rendering something through ableton, and then render it in ableton rewired through cubase. Afterwards try to tell me that the DAW doesn't flavor the sound of what you are working on. |
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itunes does colour the sound. listen to a wav file in quicktime and then play the same file in itunes. doesn't sound quite as good. They all have different algorithms. IMO the eq in logic is loads better than cubase. . . compression can be pretty heavy handed tho. all these things make a difference + sends you mental if you spend too much time on it but given that the differences will prolly soon be imperceivable once your material starts getting played back in a car stereo etc. . . i don't get too bogged down. there's bigger fish to fry than comparing DAWs till you're blue in the face. |
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That is fucking bullshit. Yes, of course using different eqs and compressors is going to sound different in many cases, but simple mixing and playback of sound is completely identical when DAWs have identical settings. Its simple summing of data. The only difference you may find is if you for example resample the material, sometimes audio editors and DAWs have different resampling algoritms (spline, linear, etc.). But yeah, DAWS don't "flavor" the sound unless they are in some way broken, this can be proved (and has been proved) by very simple analysis(like subtracting one audio mixdown from the other and seeing if there is left over data). |
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my Yamaha AW4416 is a Digital Audio Workstation, and it makes even just a CD sound amazingly better than anything else i've heard |
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Renoise has deffinately a different sound than Fruity, Fruity sounds more damped while Renoise sounds upfront, loud, vile and brutal. |
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FLStudio especially has a notorious reputation for having a specific 'sound.' I've spoken to many artists who say fl sounds like this and that. Truth is, I think that there can be many factors to achieve this effect in people. Many people may use the same synths, or the same taste in verbing and mixing. People may sequence songs in the same manner or use the same musical techniques. I don't think that if you drag a wav file into two sequencers that they will sound much (if any) different with no other fx. I do believe however that one may be able to reach a sound that sounds LIKE a daw, but I do feel mostly FLStudio has achieved this. I don't see many people talking about the sound of logic or sound of cubase, or even sound of ableton live (although it may happen) I had used FL for a long time and when I switched to ableton one day, I made a song in my typical way at the time, and a friend of mine commented 'yeah can hear you used FL immediately though' when i in fact didnt.. I believe that overall the usage of any specific daw may color the way a musician makes music, and even the way it sounds, but in all cases thats a personal sound, and cant really be blamed on the daw. I don't think anyone in the world are capable of telling what song is made in what daw, if they had no prior information. And this tells us that this whole daw sound debate is junk and shouldn't be spent energy on.. |
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i started using the EQ of FL again because it's too much work loading another EQ on every channel if I wouldn't use any of the plugins of FL I can't imagine it does much bad to the sound |
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quick component summary: FL EQ DAW WAV CD further reading: compressor rendering information workstation algorhythm colour flavour |
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"itunes does colour the sound. listen to a wav file in quicktime and then play the same file in itunes. doesn't sound quite as good. They all have different algorithms. " haha. itunes uses quicktime for playback. - IMO Ableton Live's mixer sounds pretty shit compared to Logic. |
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can you explain exactly how it sounds shitty? |
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that for a fact? I'm not arguing I don't care about these things. . but i definitely remember when bouncing down files and auditioning them in quicktime noticing that they sounded slightly lower quality once i started playing them back in itunes. When i say slightly i mean the amount that you'd only notice if you'd had your headphones on for hours mixing things to the stage that you begin to notice that your ears have different frequency responses=] i thought it strange and thought no more. perhaps they buffer the audio differently but at the end of the day i'm just expressing a subjective opinion, the difference was practically infinitesimal . . . but when it comes to audio i'd generally trust my ears over stat sheets. . |
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do you know that for a fact? * |
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do you know that for a fact? * |
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i was under the impression that os x audio gets handled by the core-audio bit. itunes has a shitty "sound improver", but i think that has been turned off by default on the later versions |
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oh dear. i'll get my coat. |
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that might have had something to do with it. . . it was a few years ago. . . |
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reason sounds papery i swear. |
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All applications have different approaches to playing back, and working with, audio. Different DAWs and playback applications will indeed have differing sound characteristics. This is simply because every time data is processed, it is done so in a complete unique fashion due to contexts within the realms of clocking, computer timing, etc. Whether they are audible enough to be heard by the common user, however, is an entirely different story. But just because the differences aren't audible doesn't mean they aren't there. After enough processing and reprocessing, the effects would be able to be heard on any audio track. That doesn't even take into account the various DSP and plugin applications that each program utilizes, which in themselves can be rather variant in a multitude of ways. |
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well for me it is some feeling thing... it's when ya turn some knob, or add any effect or just fool around with samples, it rarely goes "oh yeah, now that sounds good!", there is always this impression of something/everything being a bit thin or flat, no matter how much tweaking. It's really like painting with either oil or acrylic colors. Acrylics just lack depth and are less inspiring than oil colors. Well actually i don't know if it is really the mixer or the higher quality of instruments and effects in Logic. shrug |
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i only recently noticed the "circular panning" option in Fruity... |
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Ableton is the warmest of all the DAWS |
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i love ableton, if it has a sound i like it |
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flstudio has its own sound you can hear it in wisp's music not sure what it is listen to an artist called "amen warrior" he shows how ableton live should be done!!! we could settle this now get wisp to try ableton live get amen warrior to try flstudio listen to the results :P |
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not this again |
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Garageband sounds like Simon Cowell saying "go fuck a canned ham". |
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lulz |
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I totally agree, on paper it's a bullshit remark, but after deconstructing wav files myself and looking at a few libraries I can see how there could be a slight change of the file. There are many wav file libraries for programmers to use, for a variety of programming languages. I can't speak for digi design, but I'll make the guess they aren't using a built in Windows Library to process there sound. Perhaps the out is going through windows/mac sound but the actual wav file handling may be different. My theory: drum.wav -> program file handler -> soundcard |
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. In most yer videogames ;) Doesn't renoise convert all of it's sounds to Ogg while working inside the program? |
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there was a test once in a polish magazine about that and it showed no differences at all putting the same wav in different daws or synthesizing a synthline using a vst plugin. there was a slight difference in acid 4.0 but they realised that there is a compressor hardwired on the master channel. differences start of course when you start altering the sound - time stretching and so on. fruity has horrible algorythms (compared to ableton) |
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"All applications have different approaches to playing back, and working with, audio. Different DAWs and playback applications will indeed have differing sound characteristics. This is simply because every time data is processed, it is done so in a complete unique fashion due to contexts within the realms of clocking, computer timing, etc. " hahahahhahahaha....... realms of clocking, computer timing, etc. lol |
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songsmith has its own sound |
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