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I recently got in an argument with a friend of mine on which artist we thought was more of a genius or "Smarter". Of course I said Richard. (But i do like Trent Reznor) What is your opinion on this subject? |
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RDJ for me... |
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well i'm here and not at trantreznor.nu so figure it out sherlock |
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FUCKIN' RDJ ALL THE FUCKIN' WAY DUDE! |
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FUCK YEAH!! |
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Definitely Richard. |
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yea, i know there is no competition. |
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richard D james |
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ew! richard, obviously! ..that one isn't too hard.. |
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RDJ..definetly Trent's extremely masterful craftsman..but a tad methodical and hence predictable..and he really must exorcise his angst fast before he becomes a bigger cliche than he is..its getting tedious |
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they both seem intelligent yet emotionally unstable imo. no, i take that back, only trent seems emotionally unstable. RDJ seems more modest than trent maybe, so i'd go with RDJ. |
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this one is very hard for me...especially since trent got me into IDM with his nothing record label. they are both genuses, but trent does lose points for copying oghr for his live set...and then again richard practally doesn't have a stage presence... I'm going with trent...i feel that the downard spiral (even thought it's somewhat comercialism) is better than any rdj abulm. and he has a better sence of atmosphere and mood. i feel that rdj is a song programmer, and trent is a song writer...and in my experiacne, writing songs is a lot harder, and takes more skills. |
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hmm. my opinion isn't concrete, but i remember how much i used to dig NIN. & that was just b4 i discovered electronic music (NIN technically is tho) |
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I like Trent, but forsome reason, NIN is somewhat cheesy to me... but really good, still... but so much of his stuff kind of rubs me the wrong way, kind of cringe worthy. I don't know. I'm confused in regards to how I feel about Trent. |
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if i wasn't so electronic heavy.. i'd totaly say trent in an instant...but it's because i love electronic so much that i had a hard time dismissing rdj...i'm still thinking about this one... GREAT DEBATE windowlicker! |
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i thought i heard sumtin about RDJ asking to tour live with Trent once but Trent turned down the offer? |
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i don't think that is true...trent would most likely do it. the question is who would open for who? trent loves idm, and has a mojor respect for rdj, that's why he's tried to bring IDM to america. bands like coil/autechre/squarepusher have american contracts with him under nothing records. check for a complete list... |
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I RDJ is a clear winner... but Trent is a very talented individual... differnt music so hard to compare... I really like Trents new work... especially "Things Falling Apart" and the "Perfect Drug Remixs". But i get board of it quickly and rdj has a much better replay value.... it must be sumwhere around eternity XD |
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things falling apart is a boreing cd...it has some luster, but it's mostly just tracks with wannabe idm overtones and wired wannabe idm noises. he even collabrated with telephon tel aviv for a track on there. i think trent's work should be measured by his abulms, and not his remix abulms. His remix abulms are just new ways to look at his previous stuff. I've also like the fact that nin is one of the only projects that uses remixes to re-invent, and not to re-sell... |
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RDJ seems to have more range than Reznor. Plus, RDJ doesn't have a producer or anything like that, he does it all himself. Am I right? I know Reznor has full creative control over what he does. And people say NIN is Trent, but he does get help. Aphex Twin truly is a one man show. Back to range. Richard can create some of the most beautiful ambient music i've ever heard, and also the hardest, most evil shit i've ever heard in Come To Daddy. And everything in between it seems, electronic wise. He's shown even more range with his most recent album, which a good portion of it being pianoey tracks. Trent has also created an ambient track, but that was more or less a cover of David Bowie's song "Crystal Japan". I don't know if he can create an entire album of original ambient music, much less a double disc of it. Don't get me wrong, I love NIN as much as the next guy. But when it comes down to it, Richard takes the cake in the creative genius department. Both artists are miles above most of today's musicians. |
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rdj is a lot more creative/innovative, but i like trent more. nin got me into idm, and trent seems to care more about his fans than rdj does. but i think rdj has a more promisinf career ahead of him. |
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i think this discussion is poopy trenty-poo is the greatest why me 'member when trenty-poo made good muzac it was quite good back then in the 90;s natural born killers lost highway just starting a li;l plew aw, trenty-poo |
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RDJ. |
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actually if you go and put a quake 1 disc in your cd-player, and skip track 1 you will witness hte "forgotten halo" as i've so dubbed it. it's about 10 tracks of bad ass distro dark ambient, that really proves that trent is the god of distortion, by manipulating it into something soooo ambient, and score-like... |
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Trent is slightly better imho and from the ambient stuff i've heard over the years from nin (esp nis new stuff) if he made an ambient album it would be as good as anything RDJ could make. |
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Trent is playing out a tired old formula and has shown almost no evolution. His music was great 10 to 5 years ago but he hasn't done anything worth wile since then. The Perfect Drug was a good start but he stopped that chage after that 1 song and The Fragile couldof been written 14 years ago by Front 242. Whereas RDJ is constantly evolving and making new and exciting music. |
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i think the new NIN stuff is "new and exciting" music. Since hearing the Still cd i'm really looking forward to what he does next. i always felt Trent always evolves from album to album but each to their own. |
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When did you start lisning to NIN I thouhgt I read on a post somewhere you got into them in 2000. If that's true... Of course you still think it's "new and exciting" you haven't been lisning to it for very long at all. The only evolution has come from PHM to TDS. And that was only because he became a full 'band' and had money to buy new equipment. The songs were the same except they were drentched in distortion. As you said though, to each their own. |
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yeah from 2000, though if you haven't heard the Still cd you can't dismiss their new stuff and make claims that he isnt progressing. |
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I have heard 'Still' and I stand by my claims. For me 'Still' is too little to late. One limited release after shite like "The Fragile" and "Things Falling Apart" isn't going to bring NIN back ito my good books. Live albums like "and all that..." don't do anything for me either. It's like sying "Hi there kiddies, I want your money but I don't want to do any work for it." |
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how is Still too late? The new album should be out this year and it could be excelent. Your opinion on the Fragile is just that an "opinion", i must admit its an aquired tasted and takes a while to get into but i wouldnt say it was shite. "Hi there kiddies, I want your money but I don't want to do any work for it." if that was the case wouldnt he have got someone else in to do the live DVD for him instead of working on it himself?? Also he didnt have to make the "still" cd, he could have just worked on the new album but he wanted the aatchb release special. Have you seen the packaging on the special edition cd? if it wasnt for Trent's care for the fans it probably would have just been a jewel case. |
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i just wrote before you posted that trent DID make an ambient abulm, and it's the quake 1 soundtrack... |
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cool, i can imagine Trent going on to film scores when he's finished with NIN |
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Don't get too upset now... I, like you, am just stating my opinion. Trent is something like 37 years old. It's time to stop acting like a pissed off 17 year old. It's no wonder Trent and Fred Durst don't like eachother. They are both 30+ trying to act like pissed-off teenagers and the market ain't big enough for the both of 'em. Still is too late for me because I just don't listen to NIN anymore. You can't kick someone in the teeth with a frozen boot and then appoligize 4 years later. And the sound on The Fragile might be an aquired tast but i aquired that taste 15 years ago and it's long past it's best before date now. And... Live CD's and DVD's are right up there with Greatest Hits packages for the big corporate cash grab. |
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Trent won't let go of the image he has created that became bigger than life, which isn't uncommon in the music industry... he just seems to be a parody of himself now, obseesively overproduced ... Fragile is not terrible, i just don't care anymore... i read in an interview and Trent was whining and blaming his record company because the fragile didnt sell 10 million copies... maybe it was because it was an overpriced 2Cd with no hit singles, and you waited too long to finish the record... crybaby |
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Yeah, that angry image he projects turns me off... I get the sense that RDJ just doesn't care at ALL how people see him, which is great. He's free to literally do ANYTHING he wants, artistically. He doesn't have to worry about what image his music fits... you can tell he makes it JUST for himself. |
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nanotech... that's funny me luvvin Quake also but i always call it the 'missing halo' heh |
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I like NIN but for me RDJ wins hands down. |
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new nin ep 'still' is mostly organic ambient, fucking BRILLIANT too. do NOT count out trent reznor, he is a total genius like RDJ. they make different music. i don't think RDJ could do a lot of the stuff trent does and vice versa. incomparable artists in terms of who is better. |
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i agree with you. you cant really compare both of them together. it's kind of like asking who's better, the beatles or rdj. |
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