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Things that replicate are at the heart of the evolutionary process. Genes replicate with high fidelity and only very occasionally have random inheritable errors (mutations). They pass the error onto the offspring. Vast majority of time the error will make the replicator/offspring less fit (fit = good at replicating basically, ie. making lots of copies, making copies fast, making copies with few errors) giving it a lower probability of surviving relative to competing alleles. But some random asshole that does something retarded like code for protein or whatever the fuck that puts some extra shit on some d00d's skull and over time its like, omg 'antlers'. And now this crazy asshole is walking around with rediculous looking spikes all over his head i mean come on... 111 ! But planets have no underlying replicator, no not atoms or something because they're not replicators. Fire is not a replicator, humans aren't replicators even though they have kids (because by definition a replicator makes a copy and the child isn't anywhere near an exact copy). Evolution is a mass search algorithm. you can think of all like as the same dna strand finding what is most fit in parallel with all forms of life even taking into account other forms of simultaneously evolving life as part of its environmnent. ef0foiaeroijhreioj you can't take all the disassembled junk yard scraps of an airplane and have a tornado randomly assemble it into an airplane all in one go. Evolution is gradual where each intermediate stage was 'fit' at the time. Half an eye was fit but it wasn't 'half an eye', just a half evolved eye, perhaps starting as light sensative skin. Artificial evolution works, I don't really get the confusion, just read dawkins 'selfish gene'. He's popular for 'atheism' now but that previous book really nails everything. He basically answered 'what's the meaning of life' and has tons of profound insights such as how the beginning replicating ancestors of dna might have started. |
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The real question is, why does something exist instead of nothing. But thats a more philosophical one. If religion and science collide than on the philosophical basis (naturalism, materialism) and not the actual facts of evolution. |
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I recommand Bunge/Mahner over Dawkins. Dawkins is an Idiot (well at least when he speaks bout religion) |
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i don't have a problem with the concept of evolution, just the classic darwinian model. - the concept is mostly the same- darwin didn't know about gregor mendel mechanisms, and now the gene is regarded as the unit of selection instead of the individual/group. the fossilrecord does not show the proportionate amount of mistakes that would be necessary for new species to be generated by random process - genes of species that went extinct are the unfit 'mistakes' of evolution's mass search algorithm in the fossil record, (unless a random process like an asteroid collision removed them). If a mistake had no momentum then it didn't replicate enough to result in fossils. Maybe the genes have the potential to produce hideous monstrosities of one sort or another, doesn't mean anything was selected to evolve along that path. Still some genes of dinosaurs etc replicate on (like whatever genes result in having a head, etc). The genes are the replicators while individuals are temporary 'vehicles' (it was apparently more fit for individual genes to bunch up into multicellular organisms). evolution seems more like the stages of life, seed to a tree, caterpillar to butterfly and so on. -That's like life cycle/embryonic development stuff, something genes code for, not really about the selection of fit genes. i don't think saying there is evidence of an order and a system has to open the god can of worms. -well the scientific estimate of the earth age supported with evidence etc contradicts equivalent 'truths' of widely replicated religions. Or if you want to be less religion-specific and just say maybe there's a being that created the universe/world, be it a giant throbbing amoeba or whatever, you havn't solved what created that creator and are back at square 1. Some things are designed by a creator, like an airplane. But those creators underwent evolution by natural selection. |
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of course it is, what are you talking about? science is not dogmatic and never gives definite answers which is why it's science and it's good |
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those "monsters" could not adapt as good as others. This, I think this is reson why fosils of "monsters" is not found, thats becouse they was rare. |
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of course it is, what are you talking about? science is not dogmatic and never gives definite answers which is why it's science and it's good der? those "monsters" could not adapt as good as others. This, I think this is reson why fosils of "monsters" is not found, thats becouse they was rare. der? |
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"what i do have a problem with is the idea of random mutations complex enough to actually result in speciation, planet formation, stars, sentient organisms with consciousness, etc. like the article gets into, the fossil record does not show the proportionate amount of mistakes that would be necessary for new species to be generated by random process, if thought about logically and you do the math." You cannot “do the math.” It is random (or arbitrary anyway), so it is entirely conceivable that the entire process happened without so much as a single “mistake.” In addition, as IAN NOLL said, the “mistakes” are the fossil record. |
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What's the problem with Dawkins? Genuinely curious here. I like him. |
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